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Crackdown on motorists in dumaguete and surrounding areas

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  1. Gabrielle_K

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    After being laid up all weekend I got out finally today. Didn't notice any increase in helmet use
     
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    Saw someone selling a car on which there are three issues:
    1. Registration expired last year
    2. CR and
    3. OR lost.

    Assume someone want to buy the car. How to get replacement OR and CR? Or is better to keep the hands off?

    And wondering what would happens if someone gets caught with no CR and OR?
     
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    Stay well away! Way too much hassle involving pnp,lawyers,lto and if its stolen you will lose it.
     
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    That means first check the plate number with the LTO. If that is ok telling the seller that he should first to get OR and CR on his own. Then he will have the hassle with the goverment.
     
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    You really need to see the original copy of the CR to be sure there is no encumbrance.
    I check the engine and chassis numbers against the CR to avoid "confusion".
    The PNP or HPG would be the groups that would know if a vehicle is stolen. If I recall correctly I think I had to take carbon prints of the engine and body serial numbers to the police to get clearance to transfer the CR.
     
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    I believe he is correct in thinking that (I have had to pay back dues on registrations before).

    If you have a vehicle that is sitting on blocks or used only on private roads and don't want to pay to register it every year you need to turn you plates in when you stop using it. If you have plates you pay for a yearly registration, simple as that.
     
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    Expired registration isn't a big issue, though that will allow you to negotiate a lower price. A lost OR or CR will cause you some headaches. To recover a lost OR/CR you need to go back to where the car was originally registered...what paperwork requirements are needed to actually recover it, I have no idea. That wouldn't stop me from buying the car/motorcycle but I would only take it at half the price they were originally asking. However, as @Show Pony stated, you should make sure that there is no encumbrance. That's where you would need to start talking to a lawyer to have fixed.
     
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    How to find out if there are encumbrances on a car? I do not think that the text to the LTO will make such things visible. Only traffic related stuff will be visible I guess.
     
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    I'm not sure. I had a multicab that was used as collateral on a home loan or debt of some sort (can't remember exactly what it was) before I bought it. It had documentation that came with the registration that stated this and another document that stated the debt had been paid off and the vehicle had been released from the lean. I sold the vehicle without ever transferring it into my name so I have no clue what the LTO had to say about it. The person, a local, who purchased the vehicle had no issues putting it in their name...though I don't know if they paid to have it "fixed" or if they went straight to the LTO.

    The seller is legally obliged to tell you of any issues like this and if they don't you can rip them a new *sshole in civil and criminal court.
     
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    This might help if it still works this way;
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    Re:Encumbered CR (certificate of registration)
    « Reply #2 on: June 08, 2005, 09:02:37 AM »
    Assuming that the LTO people will not give you the run around, i dont think youll have any problems.

    An A certificate of Registratin (CR) works like a Certificate of Title to a piece of land. Any encumbrance or lien on the car is annotated on the CR to forewarn any would-be buyers that should they acquire the car, the car is subject to an encumbrance and therefore he shoud be bound by this lien or encumbrance.

    Now, as to the removal of the encumbrance, all you have to do is to present to the LTO the cancellation of chattel mortgage. Assuming that it is in the proper form, the cancellation will work to release the car from the encumbrance or lien annotated on the property. The LTO can then annotate in their records and on the CR the cancellation of the encumbrance or the lien.

    To transfer the car in your name, just present the deed or instrument effecting the transfer of ownership of the car from the previous owner to you [in your case... a "Deed of Absolute Sale". For others it can be a "Deed of Donation" (pag swerte ka) or a Deed of Extrajudicial Partition or Settlemen of Estate (pag swerte ka rin at may minana kang Porsche or Bentley)] . Assuming again that the document is in the right form, you wont have any problem with LTO, that is assuming again that the LTO people would give you the run around.

    I dont think you really have a dilemma. By definition a "dilemma" is a situation where youre presented by two opposing choices or alternatives, i.e., you are "ambivalent" or torn between two options. What you have is a problem on how to proceed with the registration. Nah...am just kidding you.

    Good luck.

    Encumbered CR (certificate of registration) in Car Talk Board
     
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