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Emergency Dumaguete Airport/ Million peso tree/ overnight parking

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  1. alex

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    I was at the sight yesterday buying some product, this man is a pinoy, the tree is just about covering his roof of his single story house and only reaches 5 meters above his roof at the highest point. i asked about why here? i was told the land has been in the family for over 100 years. back to the fact if the landing strip was built for turbo props that,s what should land there. anyway way im over it .
     
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    Cheaper to move a house than an airport. I for one prefer the jets, due to the skimpy baggage allowances on the turboprops. It really cuts down on the amount of Pasalubong I can get in without paying the astronomical cost for overages. :thumbsup:

    Is commonsense really common? :wink:
     
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    Easy to say when it's not your house. :wink:

    This is about a single tree being in the way of the landing strip and not a house but.......if it were your house would you foot the bill to buy a new lot, build a new house, move your existing business and then move everything to the new location? FYI: your family owned the property long before any airport was even planned and ever since they decided to land jets at the airport you house has been taking damage from planes landing.....and the tree is the only thing keeping the planes from doing further damage to your house (because the government/airport won't pay out a dime to you to cover damages caused by the jets or to relocate your house). :wink: I don't think the problem is the tree, it's that the government/airport has been negligent in covering their legal/financial responsibilities to the land owner. I remember when this first came out last year. The land owner made several comments in the media comments section and I think he has a very valid argument:

    Comments from property owner found on this article "Disqus - Stubborn lot owner forcing CAAP hands to downgrade Dumaguete Airport "
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    There are two sides to every story.....and when the Philippines government gives a story I tend to believe the exact opposite of what they are saying.
     
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    Your side, my side and the truth. :smile: I don't claim to fully understand all the dynamics of the situation and don't really care to. I'm speaking in general and at a business level. Weight the costs, the inconveniences and the good/bad and come up with a solution with the most positives and least cost.

    Not many people I know are happy about being at either end of a runway anyway. I'm not saying don't compensate the guy, but if he is being unreasonable as people can be, than d*mn the torpedoes. If the city isn't compensating him that's wrong too. I'm saying compensating this guy appropriately is a better idea than stifling the economic growth of Dumaguete and decreasing safety because his family has owned the land for 100 years. We all leave our land behind at one time or another, so 100 years doesn't buy a lot in my book. I just can't get that attached to a piece of dirt, as long as I and equally good piece of dirt, I'm happy.

    With respect to the owners points, what was necessary for an airport in the past may no longer be valid, but that in and of itself doesn't mean a mistake was made.

    Going to war rarely results in a clear win for either party.
     
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    I agree that's what they should be doing. Problem is the airport/government doesn't want to spend one centavos.

    Yep. Pretty much.

    I think there is a bit more to this whole thing than a tree and the property owner. I don't think the local government minds if the airport has to be downgraded. I seem to recall hearing that someone who is calling the shots on this stands to make some big bucks if the airport gets moved over to chunk of land he owns. The sooner everyone is convinced the airport needs to move the sooner he gets paid. :wink: Politics and corruption....gotta love it. :rolleyes:
     
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    What war? The tree owner has made no overt acts that I know of?

    I am a supporter of property rights anywhere, always have been. If you don't agree that every property owner should be dealt with fairly and legally, I believe that you should have all you have taken away from you and you should be forced to help load it all up, because you are ok with it in principle.

    Corporate entities should not pull the we are big and you are small crap, refusing to pay and making you sue them. I have been there and I can tell you it's no fun. Yeah, I think it's funny when they step on their dicks. They need something from the land owner now who has to do nothing but ignore them and engage a lawyer who will squeeze it for all it's worth. Karma is a b*tch.

    There is this guy on You tube calls himself Sean the resort rebel and I think he is full of crap except for one thing he said. Just pay on the spot. Pay the first person. When you let things drag out and more people get involved, it isn't going to get cheaper. Why make the lawyers rich? Words to live by.
     
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    Some people don't mind it one bit.....so long as they are getting paid. :sneaky:

    Just a little bit of Google:
    To a new site in bacong town Solon wants to relocate airport from Dumaguete
    Negros Oriental | GOVPH
    Here's a "family tree":
    http://www.tanjaycity.org/familytrees/TevesTree-Ver14-12Oct2015.pdf
    Hit Ctrl+F and type in "Alviola" and see how many matches come up. :wink:

    familymeme`.jpg

    I kinda like it here....so I'm going to shut up now. :whistling:

    Side note: This is not the first time a tree has stood in the way of progress.
    DAILY STAR: Negros Oriental
    The mayor of Sibulan doesn't want to cut down his trees to expand the airport because......"climate change". :2rofl:
    That property next to the airport is pretty nice one though and it would be a shame to cut those trees down to make room for an airport. But the climate change excuse is just silly.
     
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    I think that's what is being said....kinda sorta. :wink:
     
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    If you make it so someone's only chance of redress is to sue you, of course they become unreasonable. Or possibly their reasonable threshold lowers to equal the one who refuses to compensate them for damages. When a corporate entity refuses to pay for damages they are responsible for, are they being reasonable? Why would you expect any individual to be reasonable when meeting un-reason?

    I have a suit against a company that defrauded my brother myself and the court. I told them years ago that if they undid what they did I would let them walk away free. I don't see how I could be more reasonable than that. I will win on the basis of notarized recorded documents alone. I gave them a free out and they didn't take it so now I want a big settlement, worse yet the lawyer who is going to get 40% of the punitive wants a big settlement. It's tough to put a price on 6 years of aggravation which I would never wish on anyone.
     
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    There are a couple of definitions of war. Here is the definition I had in mind while making that statement.

    In an active state of conflict or contention.

    There seems to be a state of conflict or contention and I'd say pretty overt by the fact lots of people seem to know the who and why. It evens ends up in papers. I wasn't suggesting people shooting at each other, which is the more typical definition. That said maybe war might be to strong a term as I don't know all the details. :biggrin:
     
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