Best Posts in Thread: Filipinos and Asylum Seekers

I think, in more general terms, 'aliens'are going to find life tougher as regulations separate them more and more from citizens; the changes to Philhealth are a recent example. It is fine with me as it is their country and I can leave if I don't like it, but I would like my home country to reciprocate likewise instead of treating every foreigner the same as (often better than!) its own citizens

 

Just to be clear, I too am in favor of asylum for those that are persecuted. What I am not in favor of is having aliens come into my country illegally or under false pretenses just to take advantage of the system of support. This has become so common that it has overburdened the system in the USA and borders upon being ridiculous as illegals are given more and more rights and privileges. To compare the victims of persecution to the freeloaders is comparing apples to oranges. They are not the same. Asylum seekers are given asylum and are not illegals.
I haven't read anything here that tells me that any previous poster would deny sanctuary to anyone that is persecuted and in danger. What I have read is that the perception is that the pendulum has swung toward the ne'er do well aliens that want to come in and take advantage of the government handouts, and that this has reached the extreme so that a legal citizen's rights and privileges are now overshadowed and outpaced by those of the illegals. The posts I've read seem to be objecting to being taken advantage of and having to take a back seat. It has nothing to do with asylum from threats or danger.

 

Same is happening in Australia mate...

Australia has been one of the most generous countries for opening their arms to migrants AND Refugees, who have all assimilated and become AUSTRALIAN and shared their Culture with the rest of the country, making it a GREAT Multicultural Country IMHO! I LOVE that we live the life we lead, but be rooted if I will agree to what is happening there now!

BUT: it is the QUALITY of WHAT they are allowing to enter and HOW they enter that now is the problem, they refuse to assimilate, do not want to become Australian unless it is for the purpose of fleecing the Welfare system, to which MANY are coming to do just that! This new influx is pushing for Australia to change to suit them, change their Laws to suit them, change what we eat to suit them, change what we wear to suit them, it goes on and on and on!!!!

WHEN you go to a country YOU are the one expected to CHANGE AND ADAPT! IF YOU think you are going to come and live here in the Philippines and convert Filipino's to YOUR way of thinking then THINK AGAIN! So; WHY should it be different in your own country where IF YOU are accommodating THEY WILL take full advantage of you until you are living in the same sh*t hole they supposedly escaped from! Look at Great Britain for just one example... I have friends who moved to Australia from Britain to escape this scourge!! I moved here to get away from the bullshit that IS going on back in Australia!! Enough is enough ADAPT to your NEW country OR GO HOME!

 

I live just outside Los Angeles much of the time when I'm not here. It's the same way in LA as Brian and you describe. There are a lot of illegals there and California has made many allowances for them even beyond the generous allowances of the US government. They often can get many benefits as far as medical and legal assistance. If they are there legally many work jobs that pay minimum wage and then get paid an extra amount "off the books" in cash. That way the worker can still take advantage of all the government programs like food stamps and housing because as far as anyone knows he is working for minimum wage. This practice is also widespread in New York City. I worked there for 15 years and know this is a common practice there also. All of the problems with illegals are widespread in the US and cost the system there a lot of money. I think much of the problem is that there are so many that want to be generous with other peoples money to solve perceived problems that they actually have no first hand knowledge or experience with. And of course there is this.
Allegedly from Winston Churchill "If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain." – Winston Churchill

 

Dear Mr Dutchie:

I must admit I did not assume your moniker meant you are Dutch - you wrote with such authority about a referendum in a country of which you are not a citizen that I was confused. Also, dutchie means "a Canadian doughnut popularized by the Tim Hortons chain. It is a square, yeast-lifted doughnut containing raisins that is coated with a sugary glaze." So how was I to know??? - is 'Show Pony' really a pony? Is 'Dr Shiva' really a doctor? Is 'Notmyrealname' my real name?Maybe I changed my birth name by Deed Poll to 'Notmyrealname'.

But ONE thing I will agree with you on (and the only thing because I do not think Brexit is really your business as a non-UK citizen; you can say you disagree but have no right to question the intelligence of those UK citizens who voted the way YOU think was wrong. Perhaps you are worried because you realise that the EU is on the verge of collapse and that Brexit is the first cut) is that there are HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of people in truly desperate situations all over the world. BUT, we cannot solve all those problems - especially one country (the UK) being singled out because it is a soft touch, giving benefits to anyone who illegally breaks in. Perhaps you could return to your home country in Europe and take into your home a few refugees; it might make you feel good but it is like peeing in the China Sea, won't really make any significant difference.

I have no intention of continuing this discussion because, for example, I am not sure that Trump was the best choice for US President but I am not going to tell US citizens who voted for him that they were stupid or misled - it was their decision and I have to respect that.

 

Well; in Australia all you need to do is travel via a dozen or so Muslim Countries where they will accept you, then you pay $30,000AUD per head (instead of 10K AUD to do it legally) then catch the Boat from Indonesia to Australian waters, wait for a Naval Ship to float by, throw all of your Paperwork/ Passports etc overboard, claim you are a Refugee escaping persecution in your homeland only to go through the Immigration Detention Centre round-about to where you can then gain Welfare, petition the rest of your grubby relatives to come and join you to sap the Welfare system even further, pick 5 Wives and have 5 kids to each Wife placing them also onto Welfare, escaping the LAW by pleading Religious persecution then do the rounds each fortnight to collect your share from these stupid women, then run for local Government so you be elected by the rest of the village idiots who have driven the 'normal people' out of their own suburbs, so you can introduce Sharia Law so you can be persecuted just as you were by the very idiots you claimed to be escaping. It is BS!

Sorry I do not know how it works in your country, but I am tired of watching the News daily with more and more of these low IQ Apes and their Gangs freely attacking people and then using their Religious Ideologies as an escape route to prison, at the very least they should be deported and dropped back to whence they came from! IF they had MORE than enough money to flee halfway around the world, then pay TRIPLE++ what it costs to LEGALLY Apply to enter the country via Illegal Traffickers, then p*ss OFF!! IF I take my Wife back to Oz it will be done legally (YES it is harder to do it this way) and not using the Gravy (refugee) Boat (EASY way!) to do it ILLEGALLY!

Millions have migrated to Australia LEGALLY over the past 100+ years and have adapted, assimilated, and become a great part of the multicultural society that makes up the population. Now; the FAKE Refugees are using Australia as a soft target to exploit the Welfare system, they refuse to adapt and insist we adapt top them, most refuse to work, why should they when they get free hand outs? Most refuse to follow the Laws of the land, it doesn't apply to them because they are victims. Yet; they refuse to work to better themselves, and when they do, it is a dance all the way to the Tax Payers money! Sorry something stinks and it is time the West changed instead of adapting to this infestation and swallowing the garbage being sprouted by what equates to Fleas infesting the Dog's back!

To be frank; The Philippines would not stand for it, (Illegal immigration on this level) so why should any one else? I wish Australia was more like the Philippines in MANY ways!

 

YES, it is easy to enter the UK illegally (but VERY difficult to enter legally!); hundreds are entering illegally every day. One man walked through the Channel Tunnel (which is illegal for any person to do), was arrested and allowed to apply for asylum. I would have led him at gunpoint all the way back to France; never set a precedent which will return to bite you. And then there was the truly amazing situation of MEN with stubble and wrinkles being admitted as unaccompanied CHILDREN - then to be allowed to bring their whole families along later when they suddenly realised (as they instantly matured from 'child' to the adult they already were) they remembered where they all lived. And yet many UK citizens cannot bring their spouses or their children in. It is ridiculous. This is the essence of why the UK voted Brexit BY A MAJORITY - fed up being 2nd Class citizens in their OWN country.

Btw, I can read (we did it at school). I know about the 'boat people' - many are economic migrants and also cowards leaving their countries because they are at war.

This part is quite illogical: "And if you still think it is easy after that, I would suggest you throw away your passport and try. After all, you make it sound like it is easy and attractive, and they'll look after you for life right?" I am already looked after for life - why would I try to achieve something I already have???

"Yes I suppose illegals will be fed, but then they get deported." UNFORTUNATELY that is UNTRUE and is the reason why the UK is a soft touch. They get fed and then are given money to apply for asylum .... illegals are NOT deported until they have exhausted every avenue and every penny they can screw out of the hard-working UK taxpayer. Many ILLEGALS are actually allowed to stay. It is not surprising when you are aware that a Vietnamese woman was given permission to stay in the UK after serving a prison term because she said her family would not like her anymore. (You couldn't make it up!).

"Under long established rules, refugees must apply for asylum in the country of first arrival..." But they don't. How do they get from Africa or the Middle East to the UK without going through another country other than by flying on a carpet? You already wrote about their situation in France - how can they leave France and enter the UK illegally without ALREADY being in France (the 'first' country)? That does not even consider how they got to France (answer: they passed through MANY 'first' countries).

"I am sorry, but that first part of your post reads like the populist garbage that mislead massive numbers of UK voters into supporting the Brexit disaster in the making." A difference of opinion is not "garbage" (btw "misled" is the past tense and past participle of mislead) and I supported Brexit! You think people were "misled"? Are you a UK citizen? If you are then it begs the question why you are upset by a democratic decision of your fellow citizens and if you are not then I question why you THINK you know more about how UK citizens think than they do themselves (isn't the polite term for that 'arrogance'?). You seem to think that over half those who voted cannot think for themselves (and so I am forced to assume you think all those who voted to remain COULD think for themselves). I don't follow the lack of logic.... but then as a Brexit-voter I am unable to think for myself.

"Filipino's cannot freely travel to any country in Europe..." I never mentioned "Europe", I mentioned the UK (which IS part of Europe, but not for much longer ) ... what was it you said about being able to read??? "They need to take a language and culture course/exam for the destination country first.... " NOT TRUE; language only. Are you like me a UK citizen who actually married a Filipina in the UK (i.e. first-hand EXPERIENCE) or are you reading this in newspapers and being misled??? "... And find someone who's willing to marry and support them before ever getting on that airplane" Really? My flabber is ghasted. You mean someone applying for a Marriage Visa has to find someone first to marry? There was me thinking that finding someone to marry was NOT even a step in the process and there you are pointing out that it is maybe the FIRST step. I am almost sounding sarcastic. Same incredulity that you wrote about scam marriages being rejected; that sounds unbelievable - the marriage is false and it is rejected (so, trying to learn to think as well as you do (or think you do), am I correct in thinking that genuine marriages ARE accepted?) This 'thinking thing' is quite fun really and wish I had been made aware of it before. If in the UK a marriage ends then the foreign spouse MAY be deported OR, if there is a new relationship, it is sometimes possible to remain in the UK and obtain a new Visa (it depends on circumstances, like most things). However, if the UK spouse dies then the foreign spouse is automatically given Indefinite Leave to Remain (which can lead just one year later to Citizenship). What happens in The Philippines if sadly a foreigner loses by death a Filipino spouse? I am not an expert because I am not a citizen here (dig, dig) BUT I think the poor bereaved foreign Alien person has the Spouse Visa CANCELLED (and could lose all the assets put into the spouse's name); compassion par excellence.

Finally, it is true that Filipinos have to prove that as tourists they will stay only the set time .. BUT I thought that is the same for an ALIEN in The Philippines (lookout for low-flying spaceships landing in Manila). If you don't agree then try something for me (as in your earlier suggestion I throw away my passport, etc) - just overstay your Visa and then tell the BI. Good luck with that one (tell me how you got on). The reason that Filipinos have to prove they will return to The Philippines is that many overstay; I know this as a fact because I met many in the UK who had. Most were former students. Also, I think you might like to look at the world-wide Visa rules for holders of UK passports and those with Filipino passports (or many other country's passports); most countries treat them differently and there are logical (mostly economic) reasons for it. It is not rocket science. I would check it myself but I can't read or even think. :(

 

Not the same in the UK.... you just have to enter illegally and they give you a house, food, clothes.... let you bring all your family .... give you citizenship .... look after you for life. But they don't do the same for their own citizens.... they treat their own citizens who are in need like sh*t.

And a Filipino who goes there to marry a UK citizen has to apply for a total of 4 visas over a period of about 6 years. Then they can get citizenship (how many 'aliens' in Phil are now citizens?). They can buy property; in fact I knew many who had bought Council-owned property at a huge discount and now worth about £500,000. They get free healthcare (except in the first 5 years when they pay £200 per year), free education, eventually can claim benefits, can have the same privileges as a Senior Citizen as any UK citizen (in Phil you can be deported, in theory, even for asking for them), never have to leave the country after they first enter ... etc, etc, etc. Not the slightest comparison between the two and The Philippines is looking to make things even worse for 'aliens'.

 

I agree. If I, as a foreigner here, don't like it, I can always leave. And, yes, it is their country.

As far as reciprocating, coming from the US, my country probably has the most onerous standards for letting the casual traveler in and for meeting requirements for immigration. Getting a visa to retire in the Philippines was as near painless as I could ask for. I am certain no Filipino could say the same about retiring to the US.