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  1. Rye83

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    Ah, NS you're available now? :wink: How about that cup of tea? Jok jok.
     
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    Please explain how the US benefited from that period, simplemind. Did we aquire any colonies, take any oil wells, steal any natural resources, or did we instead spend BILLIONSof US tax dollars trying to prop up corrupt, dysfunctional ecomomies the World over. The Philippines received over 610,000 million in 2011 alone fromthe US taxpayers. Please give specific examples of "greatly benefiting" from wars, other thanyour mis-informed opinion.

    Europe still has not repaid the billions the US spent rebuilding it from the devistation of WW II, nor have most of the Pacific countries, including Japan and the Philippines.
     
  3. nice_sherwood

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    So stating the truth is bashing? Try looking at other threads then maybe you will come across many unhappy expats lol. I remained in au because I couldn't take our son back to Philippines with me and there's no way I'm gonna give up my son and I'm sure that's not your reason though.

    many years ago, Philippines peso was just the same as the American dollar and there wasn't many expats back then so don't think that the Philippine economy is relying on the foreigners but yes it helps the economy BUT how many Filipino workers like nurses and etc that work for the x job there is abroad because you people won't even do it?but we do. You'll find that there are more Filipinos/Asians that cares for your elderly in nursing homes over there more than your own people.

    talking about population here, before you pull up the ratio here let me start by telling you these:

    america has population of over 311 million people while Philippines has over a100million. When a Filipino go to America he/she has to pay ALOT of money in American rate plus plane ticket to be able to work or live there whereas for an American to come here only cost them a plane ticket and maybe a bit of money to stay longer depending on their circumstance.


    And in regards to bribes, it's not only the foreigners that have to do this even the middle class and rich Filipinos have to do it...those ones that have no patienc to get in the queue and wait. Bribing a government is illegal and doing so is by choice. No one is forcing you to do so its either you bribe them to speed up the process or stick in the line with the other Filipinos. You pick.
     
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    Point well taken on the distinction between Chicago and Springfield, Wrye83. You are quite correct.

    It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
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    Did you miss the part where I said WAS separated? Lol. But sure ill keep in mind that I owe you a cuppa tea when I get back LOL.
     
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    So there you just said it. America spent its money aside from wars it's giving out the taxpayers money to other countries to help their economy when it's much better spent in its own country for its own people? That's what I call as a dysfunctional government. Why help others first when you, yourself need help first? How's that ever make sense?

    btw, these countries that America helped? Did they force the American government to give help? I'm sure they did not but we are bound to be one of Americas allies and promised to support each other right? Therefore your government and my government have a treaty unfortunately every time there is a misunderstanding with the countries, americas first thought is to fight no matter what. Wasting weapons and soldiers when it could have been avoided but of course America likes to show power and that they're the biggest threat there is and no one should mock around with them.


    how does this ever make sense to you for the soldiers lets say that you give your life to your country only to be dumped when you hit 60 and your retired and will be no good use or the country anymore therefore the govt is just giving you a cheap pension not even enough for you to survive?

    and the people who have worked all their lives paying their taxes only to find out that he government is wasting their money and when they hit 60, they have to start planning where to move because they will never survived?

    And how about those that saved their life savings only to end up in a nursing homes where some elders are being maltreated? Nw tell me, what kind of GOOD and NORMAL government do you call this?

    at least we filipinos, we work overseas, save our money and when we come home we get good treatment specially with the banks for loans, get looked after by our families and we get to live our lives to the fullest because we're back in our beloved country and were happy!
     
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    NS, you may wish to ask yourself why so many Filipinos have to leave their family here to work abroad doing ,as you so elegantly put it, "shitty jobs". The population here is well educated, English-speaking and very hard working. Why are there no jobs here when your economy is growing so well?? Why does so much foreign investment go to Malayasia and VietNam, rather than the Philippines??

    Could the answer be the political culture that denies land ownership to foreigners or discriminates against them in virtually every civil court case, or could it be the non-stop payoff corruption that inhibits foreign investment?? As a visitor here, I find it sad that so many Pinoys have to leave their families for extended periods of time to work overseas, when all of the factors for a vibrant electronic manufacturing sector are here. Do those questions ever make you wonder?

    Concerning the currency valuation: Both the peso and the dollar "float" and the value is determined by what the MARKET perceives the value to be.

    Investopedia explains 'USD (United States Dollar)'
    The United States dollar was originally created through the Coinage Act of 1792, which specified that a dollar of currency would be equal to between 371 and 416 grains of silver, and an "eagle" (US$10) at between 247 and 270 grains of gold. Gold coins with equivalent weights were used, and based on this system, the value of the dollar (in purchasing power), would be equivalent to the purchasing power of the gold or silver on which it was based.

    In 1933, gold coins were taken back, and the gold standard was changed, setting the price of a troy ounce to $35. This gold standard continued until 1968, when a series of pegs to gold were put in place until 1975. In January of 1975, the U.S. dollar was removed from the gold standard, and was allowed to float freely on the international currency markets.

    Please note the peso value in 1974, before the currency "float" and after the market forces valued the peso---dramatic, isn't it?

    01 July 1974
    1 USD-United States [US dollar / $]=6.79 PHP-Philippines [Philippine peso] 1 USD=6.787875 PHP

    01 July 1984
    1 USD-United States [US dollar / $]=17.22 PHP-Philippines [Philippine peso] 1 USD=17.22038 PHP

    01 July 1994
    1 USD-United States [US dollar / $]=24.54 PHP-Philippines [Philippine peso] 1 USD=24.543929 PHP

    01 July 2004
    1 USD-United States [US dollar / $]=56.06 PHP-Philippines [Philippine peso] 1 USD=56.062545 PHP
     
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    NS, I do strongly agree that the US should withdraw from being the World's policeman and banker. No further aid to anyone, except Israel, expel all foreigners who cannnot prove financial independence, close the borders to ALL who cannot prove financial independence or a needed technical skill, no more "anchor relatives or anchor babies". The US should mirror the standards for immigration its southern neighbor has and expel anyone who is involved in an anti-govt protest and NO govt benefits given for non-citizens.
     
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    let me start off by saying we filipinos make sacrifices for our families for them to survive, NOT sacrifice ourselves for the country (which alot of foreigners have lived like this ) our country is just the least of our priority because we know how corrupt the government is and life in Philippines is like survival of the toughest. We work hard for ourselves because we are smart enough to know that there'll be no chance that the country will have a free healthcare, education and government giving special benefits to struggling families, well not in my lifetime I'm sure the way things are going.


    And about the dollar, blame that to our corrupt government because they just can't help themselves but I'll tell you the difference between a corrupt American govt to the corrupt Philippines government,

    the Americans throw away its people's money as if there's no tomorrow and some pocketed it to themselves while Filipinos think they're smart enough to keep it between themselves but both are just bad as each other.



    I guess you've been misinformed sir, even Japan is showing big interest in investing in the Philippines. Philippines has become an attractive investment site with improve competitiveness and business climate.

    You should look it up, canon and brother inc are expanding and planning to spend 6billion yen but have spent 4 million already and making Philippines as its expansion hub.

    And ph economy grows 7.8 which is the highest in Asia at the moment so please back up your statement where you said foreign investment went to other countries.

    even call centre jobs, Philippines has become call centre hub in the world.

    please let's stop comparing both countries instead try to stick with the topic. We're talking about America here aren't we?
     
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    I think they should because that's where all there problems are coming from. Let those non citizens work for their money don't let them get away with getting it for free! Getting free services will just make them lazy. I came to Australia, the week after I got here, I worked my @ss as a private nurse and was working 14-16 hours a day and I paid my taxes. I have not relied on the government because that's the right thing to do. WORK FOR YOUR MONEY.
     
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