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  1. Dave & Imp

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    It may be very difficult to find someone who would be eligible to throw the first stone. I am sure there are few arrogant ones who thing they could, but maybe it would be wise to look in their closest first before handing them a stone. It seems like the perspective given by the media on many topics form the public's opinion but does not particularly ferret out the truth. Each culture and power group has a different viewpoint. Thanks for putting a little more of it in perspective.

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    More aid info. Need to differentiate between what's pledged and what's received.

    Foreign Aid Transparency Hub - Full Report

    According to this website. Japan and Germany don't do a good job of meeting their pledges. If you look at what has actually been received the UK, USA and Australia are the biggest givers.
     
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    Sadly this thread is not about foreign aid.
     
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    Regarding the majority question:

    "The International Bill of Human Rights consists of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and its two Optional Protocols. In 1966, the General Assembly adopted the two detailed Covenants, which complete the International Bill of Human Rights. In 1976, after the Covenants had been ratified by a sufficient number of individual nations, the Bill has become an international law, to be followed by all."

    Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The General Assembly they are speaking of is the General Assembly of the United Nations. It's what comes as close to a forum for humanity as a whole as you can get. Obviously western countries, among whom this bill initially was developed, lost a lot of weight in terms of various criteria since then, but I doubt that the billions of Chinese people think human rights are a stupid idea just because their government violates them at times. I'm not aware of any movement at the UN to change or even undo this international law, so I think it's fair to say that these are values mankind generally agrees on.

    Regarding eligibility to throw stones:

    I mentioned that the US might not be a good mentor in terms of respecting human rights. Unfortunately they are, like China or Russia etc, in a much better position to get away without somebody interfering. If that's what you're criticizing, I'm all with you.

    There's few if any countries with a clean record, but where would we end up if that would be reason enough to start a race to the bottom and not look left and right anymore?

    The mere fact that somebody is breaking the law doesn't justify somebody else's breaking the law. You wouldn't say bank robbery is ok just because someone else somewhere else did so and got away with it, would you?

    I think it's right to call it what it is, even if it is the same guy doing so who didn't manage to close up Guantanamo bay and whose country is happily drone bombing away people around the world. Which is disgusting, indeed, but unfortunately there's nobody outside the US in a position to make that stop at the moment.

    Calling out Duterte now, that's obviously much easier than calling out China or the US or.... It's picking on the small guy, yes, and that carries the risk that people may sympathize in a David vs Goliath sense. But still it's the right thing to do. Yes he was elected in a proper election, but that doesn't entitle him to a life in a bubble without any outside influence or criticism. If Duterte cannot handle that well, that's his personal problem and he seriously needs to work on that if he wants to be taken seriously by people who don't fall for his shallow strong man game.
     
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    For those of you wondering why I posted this, it's related to post #25 and along the lines of you shouldn't bite the hands of the person helping you, whether it's motivated out of self interest or not. Let's not kid ourselves Duterte may carry a big stick in the Philippines, but on the world stage, he's not even a 3rd bit player. Going around calling the bigger boys names on the playground usually results in a bad outcome.
     
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    I think I have probably called Barry O much worse, however the remarks from Duterte were not called for. When I watched the video clip I thought I heard the question was something like "what will you say if Obama speaks to you about your extrajudicial killings?" or words to that effect. While I am sure that there have been numerous communications between the Philippines and other nations abut this matter and that Duterte is probably tired of hearing it, both the Bible and my grandmother were right when they said that "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." Granny would have used the King James version rather than the NIV though.
     
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    I didn't even mention countries like India or Pakistan where they might pay lip service to human rights but if you get 10 kilometers outside a major city it's still the dark ages with honor killings and wives who survive their husbands being thrown on funeral pyres, that's another round billion people. What the government of Afganistan agrees is right and what actually happens have zero relation to each other. I think you should settle for most of the EU agrees with most of it because the rest of the world doesn't seem to. Certainly not the majority.
     
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    I happen to agree with some but not all of the thought processes that are mentioned by Roberts posts in this thread. Punishments for crimes should fit into societal norms, if the normal in a society is to cut off a hand for stealing then so be it. But there should be a burden of proof beyond doubt before a persons hand is cut off. Killing drug dealers I have no problem with, however, do I kill someone for selling a dime bag of marijuana (not even sure if they have dime bags anymore, or if they do how big they would be) the same as I would a drug dealer with kilos of heroin? While as I stated I have no problem with killing drug dealers as punishment for their crime, should they not also have a right to be tried in a court of law and be convicted prior to being executed?

    Once Pandoras Box is opened there is no going back. What happens when an innocent person is killed? What happens when the next person is killed for overcharging on a trike ride or skimming a few peso's off of each load sold at their sari sari store? Is every body that is found attributed to the war on drugs? Was every body that was attributed to the war on drugs even a criminal?
     
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    I feel Duterte has to carry a big stick in the Philippines. He has a lot of issues that he has to be overcome, including drugs, the multitude of rebel/criminal groups and the generally selfish attitudes of those with even the smallest amount of power. The fear of Duterte implementing Marshall Law is constantly used as a weapon of fear against Duterte. Duterte emphasizes meeting the needs of the "normal" citizens of the Philippines as a whole, not just what is good for the the Manila based/connected power structure. This is totally different from what has been the political philosophy here recently. There is going to be friction within the country. He needs the support of the Filipinos, and with a 91% approval rate he seems to have it. The old power structure politcal clans of the Philippine kept foreign interests out of the game as best they could with their ownership rules etc, but certainly used the foreigners as well as the poor of the country to build up their own power base and wallets. I believe that Duterte has to build up a persona that he is the leader of the country in the eyes of the citizens and the international community. Filipinos do not admire wimps, which is why they often see the soft hearted generosity of foreigners as a weakness to be exploited. There are significant powerful groups in the Philippines that want things the way the use to be. They have enlisted foreign powers to try to reduce Duterte's approval rating in the world arena of opeinion, and diminish his power in what use to be their economic playground.
    Personally I would like this power struggle to be focused with the Filipino community. Obviously the past Filipino administrations has not done a great job, but Duterte is new and needs the opportunity to experience successes and support from his community.... Will Duterte, make some mistakes.... absolutely but that again is how life progresses. Let him work it out, and do not be too forceful with the beer fuel soltions that you can find in so many loactions around town. Any mistake you learn from is not really a mistake but a lesson. I believe any man who can strip the office of the President of the country away from the powerful clans of the Philippines has earned the right to make his own decisions with the minimum of outside pressures.
    A great move on Duterte's parts that did aid us foreigner who travel was his solution for the NIA bullet scam (laglag-bala). Within a few days of becoming President, he was smart enough to take the power out of the scam by eliminating arrests for a bullet only in luggage. There was no more power to extract bribe money to avoid jail time. NO one was arrested, or killed, but the problem of laglag-bala was gone. His political opponent, Roxas seemed to take a different approach when asked about it, which may be why today he is not addressed today as "Mr President" : "Former interior secretary and now Liberal Party (LP) standard-bearer for 2016 Manuel Roxas II defended the Aquino administration over the laglag-bala (bullet-planting) controversy at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport, saying the passengers have to take responsibility when they get caught with bullets. When asked who has to take responsibility over discoveries of bullets in luggage at the airport, Roxas said, “Kung nagpasok ka ng contraband sa airport, paano naging problema ng gobyerno yun?” (If you enter the airport with contraband, then how does that become the government's problem?)" Of coarse most people claimed they did not enter the airport with contraband but that the contraband was planted in a money making scam. With Aquino's cousin as manager of the airport, the Aquino administration could not contain the problem that occurred over 1,200 recorded cases of discoveries of bullets in passegers' luggage in the past 10 months and 6,000 recorded since 2012. That is a lot possible bribes and reduces the fear out of flying when leaving NIA. I only hope Duterte could be a similarly successful on the other problems he faces. Like I said he does have a lot of issues to deal with and representative of the past administration do not seem to be helping him. As foreigner I think we should let the Filipinos work out their own political agendas out and not be so arrogant to believe we are the only ones with the solutions. If we do not like their solutions we have an option they do not have... we can leave, where as they are sort of stuck here. :o o:
     
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