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  1. hawk263

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    If you go to a Barangay hearing, make sure you have someone you trust to translate - your oponent will be speaking Bisayan.
    Be very careful to check what is written in the 'Barangay logbook' before you sign it.
    A legal opinion from an attorney should not cost more that P500. If you go to court you're looking at P25000 - P50000 in legal costs, and it will take months.
     
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    Thanks all of you for using your time writing here. Really. Ill inform here about what happens on the next weeks/months. As i said before, i want to finish this on a friendly way. If not, if the guy want go to the court, you are invited into the session.
     
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    First is that that the other guy is taller, younger and stronger than me. Im 40 years old already, i think he is around 25, not on my best shape, kind of fat, and never fought before, if we dont count those brother agaisnt brother chilhood sh*t at home...

    Second is that im not alone on my complaints. There are 4 business owners with me complaining agaisnt the drivers and supporting me. One of them told me: "You did bad. You fought alone. You should wait for me to join you agaisnt him", so im not a crazy arrogant foreigner searching for problems. The police, the traffic officers, and the business owners support me, know all the story from the beggining and will talk on my favour in case of a court situation.

    The Baragany Captain also agreed with me when she hear my side of this story so far. Of course she needs to hear the other side, but what im asking now, and what i was asking for 5 months...everybody could understand, and i had the law on my side. The arrogant, provoking and unrespectfull people are the drivers, and everybody there knows that. Tomorrow i will go to traffic office and ask for the reports on their visit there, maybe they can give me any official paper that give me more "base" to my side. If we go to court, i will easily find people supporting me.

    You are right saying that is not a parking problem anymore. But you see, the mother f***** dont park there anymore.

    I pay my taxes, i give work to Dumaguetenyo people, and i have a private parking area that should not be blocked. If i have to go to court and say loudy and clear that i will fight again if the police dont defend my rights, ill do. We are foreigners, but since we live here we have the same rights than any filipino citizen.[/QUOTE]
    Imo you're absolutely right but also in the wrong. Many times I had to keep my fist deep in my pockets but a few times they flew out.
    The people here always scream" I get you in court or I get you deported" Give it time to sink in and they realize that they have been wrong too and that it's not easy to go to court(I found out) and time consuming. All you say above is in your profit and I think that when you put some bluff in, this will blow over. Just mention during the barangay session that you have a grave doubt in the validity of his drivers license, road safety certificate, transport route license, insurance ect. ect. This will set him thinking. A few months ago in a police hearing brought forwards by a habal-habal driver against my wife I mentioned this. Resulted in him making his excuses and begging my wife for forgiveness. Case dismissed.
     
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    Is this meant to be serious ?
    What is the alternative, never go into the city of gentle people, stay at home behind 20ft walls and have the groceries delivered...
     
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    Yeap, to a significant extent it is serious. Maybe confrontation eye contact should have been the correct world. There are alternatives to chasing people around and causing fist fights.There are alternatives to becoming confrontational. Some foreigners run around acting arrogant with a sense of entitlement. Filipinos are know not to be confrontational to your face. They do not approach foreigners one on one. They come from behind in groups. Being arrogant and looking for trouble and confrontational is what motivates the Filipinos to gather in groups. Read the papers, and seem how many times someone is killed because of "a long standing grudge" in the Philippines. You can be active within the community, but you may want to consider how confrontational with in the community you really need to be. Treat the people friendly here and they will treat you friendly to you face also.

    The alternative is not to segregate ourselves from the population behind walls and having your groceries delivered but to treat people with respect. Is that hard to do? Realize that we live in basically a lawless vigilante type legal system in the Philippines. The law of the jungle is still the predominant law system here. (how many people have been found dead since Duterte was elected?) Like the jungle, the law is most active in the darkenss of night. Of the 32 people killed in Dumaguete last year, how many murders got solved here? I think none. It is survival of the most ruthless here at times. Go to the grocery store but do not get into a physical fight when some Filipino disrespects you by trying cut in front of you in line at the check out stand. Remember what we were taught in kindergarten.... "use your words, Charly". Those words still apply today. We live in a culture of emotions but must control our own emotions when we do not want to do so. Enjoy Dumaguete but do not expect people to kiss you feet because you are a foreigner, because you may be surprised. We lost most of our entitlements when we entered the Philippines. Just try to explain to the BI when you are late on one of your visas, that because you are a foreigner, you are entitled not pay a penalty. Remember you entitlements and get forceful when the x-ray machine operator just found a bullet in your luggage at Manila airport and you plane leaves in 5 minutes. Throw an emotional fit, confront people and it will all be resolved in a few hours, when your plane is half way to your destination, while you sit in an airport office with a useless plane ticket in your hand. We have all faced these unfair situations, whether in the grocery store line, the BI offices or the airport, but few have won using intimidating or of physical force in the long run. Blend in, smile and treat people with respect. That is the best alternative here in my opinion. It is not always fun, you will probably still get screwed at times, but it is safe mode to operate, in a unsafe society.

    An example of a fellow who decides he had a better approach was a Expat who was acting a little arrogant inside a local bar on Christmas Eve here last year. He slapped a few people around because he was big and had some US Military training. Generally he was not a bad guy, but that night he made some bad decisions. Something was bothering him, probably not even the guys he decided to slap, but we will probably never know the full story. Two or three people confronted him from his back side outside the bar with an empty bottle of Red Horse. The memorial services were held for him a week later. There were no Filipino witnesses but there was CCTV, and a visit to the local police by the FBI. There was international press coverage. Can you believe that no Filipinos came around to stand up for him as witness? One fellow is in jail, the another disappeared probably never to be found, remember there is no national ID system here yet. Yes my statement was serious. Cause trouble here with the locals and generally you will not be confronted face to face, but that does not mean their vengeance will not occur. There is a lot of Pinoy Pride here, and fighting fair is not part of the Pinoy Pride agenda. Just pull out your gun and protect yourself... oh sorry foreigners are not allowed to own guns. Few crimes against Expats are solved here... these things just fade away..... like the expat stabbed multiple times in Dauin a few weeks ago. We are not hearing much about that anymore..... while you enjoy the Philippines remember to blend in, smile and treat people with respect. (I actually think that works almost everywhere in the world). You do not have to be a wuss, but you do not have to be confrontational either. There is a middle ground which can provide an very enjoyable life.
     
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    Good thoughts that i would agree if we were talking about a different situation.You are giving advices about what you think is the best behaviour that you can have here in this wonderful country.

    If someone drinks too much and make stupid decisions, something bad will happen to him/her most of the times. If you walk on the street like you are the owner of every stone on the ground or if you talk to people on a way that they feel slighted, nobody will love you and respect you. Everybody, i mean most of matured smart people, knows that. You will not win respect, love, support and peace acting with violence, arrogant or conceited so proud of yourself.

    But at the same time, you have to do what you think is right, or you will not sleep happy. If someone attacks you, your business or your family, you have to react, defend yourself and your interest on the best way you can. Keep the head down and avoid eye contact only converts you on a coward that will blame yourself every day. I would better comfront a criminal case on the court than running away with the tail between the legs.

    I came to live on this country because i love the filipinos hearts. Most of them are very nice people. I was tired of the bad feelings that i receive on my country every single day, stressed people, always hurrying to do a new thing, without smiles on other persons faces, praying to the Gold God, the money, and so on... And since i arrived, i acted with respect, patience and love for filipinos, because this is what i want for my life and family.

    So, the point is: i did what i had to do. I always avoid comfrontations, i believe on the power of the word and i use to find solutions to all my problems talking, but after 5 months of talk i was not advancing on the problem. So if this guy comes for me with his all entire family, i accept it. But i will not live on a bullying enviroment, ill fight back.
     
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    Reminds me of the old song, 'I Fought the Law and the Law Won'.
     
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    Fight the good fight with all your might, but not in the Philippines.:blackeye::nurse::greedy:
     
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    And beer.
     
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    Sorry, I don't know you and you don't know me, but you asked a bunch of strangers on a forum about your situation and you got various answers.

    I don't know how it is in your country but in my country the guy who throws the first punch is almost always at fault - by definition. Using the excuse that he said a bad word or parked in front of your business won't work in the Western world; why would it possibly work in the Philippines where you are the foreigner. The sooner you recognize that you screwed up, the sooner you might make this go away. Yet you come here still angry and still rationalizing why what you did was OK.

    Since you have some sort of business in Dumaguete it would seem to me that you would be most concerned with your reputation as a local business person and not be known as the dumb foreigner who beat up a Filipino over a parking space.

    You sound like you like the Philippines and its people. So the question I would have is, was this a one time incident, an aberration and not your true nature, or are you a hot head who likes confrontation. If the former, apologize, pay a few bucks and work to make your business prosper. If the latter, then I suspect we will not be reading about your business for very much longer. Your choice.
     
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