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  1. Rye83

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    The problem I saw with the post was that a definitive statement was made when I found it very unlikely that any such definitive claim was made.
    Do you see the difference in the statements? Do you understand why it matters? One statement is something scientists should take into consideration when developing new/updated vaccine and when politicians make policy/fund research. The other is just wrong.

    I don't think a mutation makes it "likely" for a vaccine to stop working. I think it matters where the mutation occurs in the genome and what that specific mutation does. A mutation may have no effect on how a vaccine works, it may make a vaccine a little less effective, it may make a vaccine completely useless...or anything in-between. Spreading incorrect or misleading information can cause panic and fear to spread when there is no need for it.

    I wasn't the one making any claims. This is exactly why I was asking questions about the claim being made.

    Speaking of "tones"...:meh:
     
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    Actually, even sheep and goats can pass on pathogens to humans: Rabies, brucellosis (bacteria), 'soremouth' caused by the orf virus (actually the first virus I ever saw under an electron microscope), ringworm (fungus), chlamydiosis (bacteria), campylobacteriosis (bacteria), listeriosis (bacteria), salmonella (bacteria), Q fever (bacteria).

    With other livestock included, the list is much longer and accounts for over 2 million deaths per year to humans. These diseases include TB.

    Poor methods of animal farming leads to many of these problems IMO.
     
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  3. Dutchie

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    Yes I did see that, and I note they're only going to cull all animals currently held in those farms, they haven't legislated a ban on mink farming like in the Netherlands. Hopefully Denmark (the biggest mink fur producer on the planet) and other involved countries will follow suit.

    As for the virus, that specific mutation seems dangerous only if one of two things happen, either if that mutation spreads among people (so far only a few cases were found), or, and a more serious risk in my mind, if that mutated virus has gotten away in minks that escaped from these farms into the wild (which seems likely).
     
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    Policy is one thing, the public adhering to such a policy is quite another in many countries.
    My own country of origin has a rather disconcerting record so far. Mask wearing went up from 7% in mid july to 33% recently, but a comparison learns that e.g in France it went up from around 40% to almost 70% in the same time frame, while in Belgium it went up from barely 25% to almost 70%.
    Oh well, in Denmark it went up from 1% to 4% only, and on social distancing they don't do much better. Nevertheless the epidemic has been quite benign in Denmark until very recently cases started exploding (50% increase in total cases in 3 weeks).
     
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    Here's a pretty interesting article on masks. Clearly, wearing a mask is beneficial to prevent spreading the disease, but it seems it is also protective to the person wearing it. Here in Kuwait, the Arab males are either braver than the rest of us, there's a social stigma preventing a male from wearing a mask, or it is fashionable to wear it as a chin diaper, because only 1 out of every 4 you see actually have the mask over their nose and mouth.

    https://theconversation.com/covid-1...best-fabric-do-they-protect-the-wearer-146822
     
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