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  1. ChMacQueen

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    https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/08/17...ZbRIe_fmdTgFEj8_0NY3_ArAbeRW9hGn4hTDHNUQQPjzA

    To me this is looking like while aimed at Chinese no longer getting VUA (Visa's Upon Arrival) that they are looking to limit stay to 30 days with a max of 6 months for all tourist types. Anyone have further info on this?

    Hoping its not true but if it is many of us will be screwed and the Philippines may have to lose a LOT of us expats. First they made it harder for those married to Filipina's to get permanent residency and this would follow the trend. Numerous other ASEAN countries are limiting stays to 6 months a year and wondering if that will be the next step if this is what it appears to be.

    Lastly wondering what other long stay countries are left especially ones that our Filipina partner may be able to go to as well even if married. The list keeps getting shorter.
     
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    "To me this is looking like while aimed at Chinese no longer getting VUA (Visa's Upon Arrival) that they are looking to limit stay to 30 days with a max of 6 months for all tourist types"

    what is it that makes you think it will apply to all tourist types

    "First they made it harder for those married to Filipina's to get permanent residency "

    could you explain further as I am looking to get 13 A in the next 6 months

     
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    13A I remember many posting months back how the background checks are getting much heavier are harder to come by for those of us who have been living the expat/traveler lifestyle for quite awhile.

    As far as how it would effect all tourist types first they are saying they are looking to stop VUA's (Visa's Upon Arrival) for Chinese visitors. Then after that they talk about also restrictions of 30 days for VUA's which the Chinese wouldn't be getting anymore I'd think so it would be a different group (the rest of us maybe) that it would apply to.

    Its pretty complicated and leaving me confused. I could be wrong and hopefully am so would like more commentary from those who may have seen more detailed articles as this one isn't very detailed.

    Still we've know for a number of years the rich / elite in the Philippines who run the country don't like us expats but just want our money. We have become a problem for them because we have upset the status quo as far as wealth distribution with the money we bring in that doesn't filter all through them. Expats and our money have are partly responsible for the more rapid growth of the middle/upper class which threaten the elite.
     
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    The article states “Under current rules, the VUA is good for 30 days but may be extended for up to 6 months”. Under current rules. I thought current rules was 36 months and perhaps the article is incorrect. This is somewhat confusing because you say that is what is being proposed. Perhaps you would have to make a visa run every 6 months (Vietnam is every three months). Anyway, this seems to be focused on Chinese visitors, some of the concerns being related to security risks. The 13a does involve a background checks and I know even for SRRV, that is something closely looked at, even for speeding tickets that were above the limit in which the crime is greater than misdemeanor. DUI could be a problem especially if the drug involved were an actual “drug” instead of alcohol. However, even if they tighten up, the rules here are easier than for most nearby countries. The tourist visa was never meant to be permanent although the balikbayan visa (not mentioned here) is fairly permanent. I suspect they are trying to encourage more SRRV and 13a with stricter background checks (maybe) but most people in this group would qualify for one or the other, or balikbayan.


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    If there’s not many Westerners living in the Philippines, that would make it easier for the Chinese to....invade.
     
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    Well, if they did invade, maybe we could find some good Chinese take-out and get fast and reliable internet.


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    Forcing long term tourists to get residency visas would be a good thing in that it would push some of the riffraff out. Getting a background check from your home country is no big deal. I am currently going through the process.

    The only crimes that the Philippine authorities are worried about are moral turpitude and aggravated felonies. The crimes have to be pretty serious. Not a typical fist fight.

    Moral turpitude, generally, includes crimes that make a person seem untrustworthy, such as fraud, sex offenses, etc.

    Aggravated felony includes murder, smuggling drugs or guns, human trafficking, and kidnapping people for ransom.

    Please kick these people out.
     
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    The background check from the FBI in the US is very simple. There are authorized agencies who can do almost everything online. The only hassle for me was getting fingerprinted since it has to be done by particular authority. Local PD is fine, but my local police (NYPD) has mostly done away with ink-and-paper fingerprints, so I had to wait for a particular officer who was still trained to do it. He hadn't done an ink fingerprints in quite a while and he made quite a mess. Then, mail in the forms and within 24 hours of the agency receiving them, you have a printable copy of the certification emailed to you, and a few days later the hard copy in an envelope under seal to give to the Philippines. I don't recall the cost, but under $100 I think.
     
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    For SRRV, having been here for greater than 6 months they wanted NBI report. We went to NBI in Manila; SRRV consultant helped us and we made it through there in a flash. They had no problem giving us electronic fingerprints. You pre-register with Manila NBI online. They also request background check from home country. I just asked my daughter at home to go to local sheriff department and get copies for us; anybody can do it as police records are not confidential information. Just costs $25 apiece. She dhl’d them to us. My report showed a speeding ticket more than 15 mph over the limit pled down to 5 mph over; SRRV consultant did not like that and did not submit it. I still got SRRV visa; I had to submit affidavit (per approved BI procedure) that I would submit home police report within 6 month so she submitted it after I received SRRV. No problems! She was concerned that BI would delay approval until they could confirm that speeding ticket was NOT crime of moral turpitude...a regular BI clerk cannot make that judgement apparently, so it takes additional time for approval. But BI allows for an affidavit promising to submit within 6 months of approval so SRRV can be issued quickly. I didn’t want delays because we intended to travel to US in 6 weeks. Thiscis one of the great value adds of the free PRA consultant who get paid a commission by PRA for this work. We never would have been aware of the affidavit loophole; PRA consultant even gave us the affidavit form promising to submit home police report and you have your attorney notarize it. As of this date my speeding tickets has been removed from sheriffs report due due it being > 10 years old. Three things to take away are that 1) even small marks in police report can cause delays if not handled properly 2) FBI report is not required, local sheriff or police dept report will suffice 3) Full NBI report from Manila where the have fingerprint facility are required, in addition to home country police report, are required if you are have been in Philippines more than 6 months. If less than 6 months I THINK fingerprints are still required and probably can be obtained at NBI in some large city here. I cannot overestimate the value of the free PRA marketing consultant when you obtain SRRV; they make it very easy when you fly to Manila and visit all the agencies such as NBI, DFA (for red ribboning), BDO or whatever for bank deposit, Doctor for physical exam, USA embassy for marriage license and birth certificate affidavits, and PRA office at Citibank for application submittal and payment of application fee. We did not ever have to enter BI office during the process as the much friendlier PRA does that on your behalf. You go to 2 agencies max per day due to traffic in Manila; plan to spend 5 days there. Stay at a nice hotel in makati; not expensive at all! Make a vacation of it; “grab” cars will take you everywhere very cheaply and efficiently. After we travelled to the US, we returned to Cebu and were allowed to bypass long immigration lines at the airport and go through the diplomatic line for fast efficient processing. My apologies if I went too far off topic.


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