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Noreco NY Eve 3 brownouts

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  1. PatO

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    We had 3 brief browout NYE evening. The locals told me Noerco does that to jack up the end of the month billing, saying it makes the meter spin rapidly when the surge occurs?
    Wondering if JP can help confirm or deny.
    Happy New year all.
     
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    We never had any Pat, Bacong.
    Happy new year to you and family.
     
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    No problem up the hill from Valencia. Hope it didn't spoil your NYE
     
  4. Jack Peterson

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    Deny! Mainly because if you have a brownout you are not using any electric, so Pat it is a load of Crap. How can this jack up accounts
     
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    Ok G % G's lets look at things logically if we can? we buy electric @ per KWH at usually 220 or 240 volt, on a brown out yes this can change up a little if we do not have our own Transformer (and many of us do) no matter what, we are only charged for the electric we use regardless of what the voltage is on return to power, the voltage may differ BUT the usage does not
    Look at it this way, we buy 5 liters of 96 octane fuel and 5 liters of 98 octane fuel yes, the octane content is different BUT the literage IS the same. I rest my case, come on people were are not stupid so let's stop listening to local Gossip :bookworm: and behave :pompus:
     
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    OK, I believe you are talking about the steady state consumption of power and you are correct about that. The dynamic or transient event is different. The grid is basically an inductive load. When all of a sudden a voltage is imposed across the load, a theoretically infinite current is drawn:

    I = L (dV/dt). Here dt ( delta time) approaches zero when a finite voltage is applied to the grid with no ramp. L is simply the load inductance. You can see from the equation that, as dt => 0 in an immediate restoration of power, I approaches infinity and we have the surge that lasts for a few milliseconds. You could have a 10,000A surge ramping down to zero in approximately a linear fashion for a few Msec. The meter will spin. It would be easy to go on and calculate the estimated joules of the surge waveform and convert it into Kw-hours but I wont, being too lazy. But I would imagine that being spread along the entire grid, that would be a lot of energy and it would be charged to the Customers who had high inductive motor loads (aircon/refrig etc.).


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    Not about the Philippines but I think it shows how much work actually needs to go into maintaining a reliable electrical grid.


    Do you really think NORECO puts that much thought and effort into keeping the lights on?
     
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    Sorry, but technically he is right. Add to this the fact that if there is low voltage it causes motors to heat up which adds resistance which consumes more power, day in and day out. I wonder if they do that low voltage thing on purpose. Actually, however, the amount of power we are talking about should be negligible so we would not really notice much if any difference on the individual bills. Overall I don't know what the numbers might be. I really do like the idea though of Noreco cutting the power off and on a few times to make the meters jump and the bills go up right at midnight on New Year's Eve. Will the stabs in the back from "Big Brother" never end?
     
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    Yes it does. Every time ur aircon goes off and restarts it cost u money.. I have a neighbor who shuts his aircon off three times a day... With the the same appliances I have he pays 2 k more a month than I do.. he ask me why my bill was less than his... And i said I only shut off my AC every other day when I go out for more than 4 hours.. basically I keep it running countiously. He asked me why and I told him it cost more to turn it off and on. Dat be the tru
     
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