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  1. Sedona

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    Last week I stopped along National Hwy to pick up my wife from a store. I pulled over on the side, she saw me and started walking out to come to the car. There was a traffic enforcement officer standing nearby and he stepped in front of my car and took a picture, then came to my window and asked for my license just as my wife was getting into the car. I said, I will give you my license but you can not write me a ticket because I am not "parked", I am just temporarily stopped for the purpose of picking up a passenger which I am allowed to do. He said, "yes sir, I understand" and walked over to a little table on the sidewalk and filled out a ticket for Illegal Parking which he then came back and handed to me.

    Here is the actual section of R.A.4136:
    (l) "Parking or parked", for the purposes of this Act, shall mean that a motor vehicle is "parked" or "parking" if it has been brought to a stop on the shoulder or proper edge of a highway, and remains inactive in that place or close thereto for an appreciable period of time. A motor vehicle which properly stops merely to discharge a passenger or to take in a waiting passenger, or to load or unload a small quantity of freight with reasonable dispatch shall not be considered as "parked", if the motor vehicle again moves away without delay.

    Today I went to the LTO office (not the office where you go to pay the ticket) and went in to speak to the manager who has a small office in the back. I walked in and he asked what can I do for you? I showed him the ticket, he said this is not where you pay, I said I do not want to pay I want to explain that this ticket was not legally issued. He asked what do you mean? I explained that I had just stopped to pick up my wife and within a few seconds the enforcement officer came and gave me the ticket and that does not count as "illegal parking" and the ticket was not justified. He laughed and took the ticket from my hand and said "no problem sir, I will have this voided for you".

    It is only a 200php fine, and my wife said just pay it don't argue about it. I said no, it's not the amount, it's the principle, plus I don't want this on my record. It turned out to be very easy to have the ticket voided. I'm sharing this in case a similar thing happens you should know what the law is, and that getting a ticket dismissed if you did not deserve it is not difficult to do.
     
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  2. tis me

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    When was the last time you had to renew your vehicle registration, I got a ticket 3 weeks before my registration was due to expire and on the advice of my friends was told to ignore paying the fine, well guess what when I went to renew my registration on June 19 got the sorry sir you have to go to city hall to pay your ticket which was now double because I did not pay it within the 1 week time frame.'' READ AND HEED''
     
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  3. djfinn6230

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    Due to the way this is enforced, when you negotiate with your dealer for a new vehicle make it clear that they get no money until you have all original paperwork. We did that with Toyota. They will not be able to give you a real plate and that is ok (so you have one made with the information on your original registration) but they have to get off their butts and handcarry your paper registration through the LTO. We got our paperwork right away and then we made the bank transfer; the dealer obviously was motivated to provide it to close the sale. They can do it. To me it is completely ludicrous to pay money, or sign a loan agreement, without walking away with an original legal registration document that you own and can immediately drive the vehicle. If they refuse, walk away. Go to Cebu or Manila; they will ship it over and it is often cheaper, which pays for shipping. What if the dealer goes bankrupt before he provides you the registration months later (during which you cannot legally drive it)? Bankruptcies are common here. If you get stopped at a checkpoint, mindless enforcement could have them seize the vehicle until you provide the registration. I suspect people living,who live are natives, would not usually put up with this kind of treatment but foreigners are known to be vulnerable, thinking that this is just the way it’s done here. So they drag their feet on the paperwork. He (or she) who has the money has the call, even if it is s loan.


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  4. Notmyrealname

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    I am not criticizing your observation as I don't know if you agree with the rule or not BUT I do agree with the rule - if say 96 vehicles each park for 5 minutes per day then the National Highway is obstructed for 8 hours in total. It is human nature to look at situations from a personal perspective but we need to examine them from a wider, more societal viewpoint.
     
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  5. Sedona

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    Yes, the formal registration document takes months to receive, but the dealer should provide you with a valid Temporary Registration before you drive off.
     
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  6. barryrio

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    Outcast is absolutely correct. The locals just accept this nonsense as the norm (which it obviously is)! But another example of how things should be is the case of my purchase of a brand new Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 cc motorcycle a few years back from Philip Ang of Caloocan Sales in Manila. This was my third big bike sourced there. Soon as it cleared customs he put it on the ferry to Cebu. He promised me the papers and permanent plate number would follow a week later. And that's exactly what happened. When I asked him why he could manage what no other dealerships seem capable of his answer was "Simple, they do these things in batches in their own good time. We take the paperwork personally to the LTO immediately and make sure they are processed asap". And that is the experience I had with all my bikes from there. So if he can do it I imagine every dealership could. they simply choose not to as it's too much trouble IMHO.
     
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  7. Outcast

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    [QUOTE=" I suspect people living,who live are natives, would not usually put up with this kind of treatment but foreigners are known to be vulnerable, thinking that this is just the way it’s done here. So they drag their feet on the paperwork. He (or she) who has the money has the call, even if it is s loan.


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    I think it isa just the opposite. The locals don;t complain about anything, so thats the kind of service they get everywhere.
     
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  8. Jens K

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    Photocopy is fine in all cases, in my experience.

    I think the problem with a new car / motorcycle is, that it takes few months to get the or/cr at all. Until then, you're in limbo because there is only a one week grace period from the date of buying (that may have changed by now and be not the case anymore at all). I think it was last year, got a set of papers signed by the dealer dated ahead for 8 weeks or so, enabling me to prove I just bought the bike at most 7 days ago on any given day during that time. Just hope nobody checks the actual km on the clock after two months of riding when you say "sir I just bought it new yesterday"
     
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  9. andiflip

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    Who stopped her?? An LTO check point?? Highway Patrol?? PNP or who?? I would not pay anything if the registration is ok, if no registration on a new car that is the dealers problem. We all know what the law says but even the LTO know it is unenforceable.
     
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  10. grandpainak

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    Wife just paid for one yesterday ₱5,000.oo! For registration on her new KIA Sportage. LTO was targeting new cars with temporary plates. No bribe, they take your drivers license. If you see a check point and your driving a NEW CAR with temporary plates, turn around and flee.
     
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