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Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by Notmyrealname, Dec 12, 2020.

  1. SkipJack

    SkipJack DI Senior Member

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    Sorry about the confusion.

    You are correct that the more people who are infected the more vectors there are for the infection to spread. No matter where the vector is coming from.

    Spreading through the healthcare system is particularly troubling. This is where people with other health problems go for care. Go in with a heart attack and get a bonus of COVID. Not a good combination. Here it can be Dengue and COVID. The two would be enough to incapacitate most young people.

    All the more evidence that shows the only way to control the spread is to control the spread through all potential carriers including young people who have minimal chance of being severely hurt by COVID.

    So far the idea that only the at risk population needs to be isolated has been thoroughly debunked.

    Maybe @Rye83 or someone else will put forth some measurable historical evidence that attempts to support the idea of only isolating at risk populations.
     
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  2. Rye83

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    The CDC thinks it is a good idea.
    Common sense tells us that the less people you interact with the less likely you are to get infected.

    The data shows that elderly people die at a much higher rate than younger people.

    If the elderly were isolated (reducing the number of people they interacted with) COVID infections and deaths would drop.

    It wouldn't stop it completely (8 out of 10 deaths in the US were elderly people...and this is true here as well) but it would reduce deaths.

    Every health organization recommends isolation and limiting close human contact when possible. My thoughts on isolating the elderly are not ridiculous or unheard of.
     
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    Addressing the coronavirus and its ongoing impact on Sweden in a TV interview, King Carl XVI Gustaf said the mortality figures show an unsuccessful attempt at mitigation.

    "I think we have failed. We have a large number who have died, and that is terrible," he said, according to the BBC. "The people of Sweden have suffered tremendously in difficult conditions. One thinks of all the family members who have happened to be unable to say goodbye to their deceased family members. I think it is a tough and traumatic experience not to be able to say a warm goodbye."

    The king's comments follow roughly one month of spiking cases, and subsequent deaths, in Sweden.

    https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-onc...king-admits-covid-response-has-failed-1555682
     
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    My Dad is in a care home and they think he got it from a nurse. He is in a memory care facility so he (and others) have very limited contact with outside world. Another resident had the same thing happen but it came from family member. They do proactive testing on a weekly basis and isolate the resident if they have a positive test result. I think there are about 20 residents and 3-4 employees that my Dad can come in contact with.
     
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  5. SkipJack

    SkipJack DI Senior Member

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    Thank you Cabb for your sharing personal experience. I hope your father recovers quickly.

    This is a good example of how isolation alone is not sufficient to protect the high risk category. My father like yours spent a couple of years in a memory care facility. (Dementia) These memory care facilities are very isolated. The people there are not allowed out of the facility because they cannot remember how to find their way back. Obviously it would be even more strictly isolated now with COVID.

    The fact that COVID is able to find its' way into the memory care facility is evidence that a plan that only isolates high risk individuals and then allows low risk individuals to freely go about spreading the infection would be a complete failure.

    It surprises me that we are 10 months into the pandemic and there is still confusion as to the proper way to deal with it.
     
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  6. Rye83

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    I never said that low risk individuals shouldn't take precautions to slow the spread of the virus, I've said exactly the opposite. Everyone should wear masks when around other people, socially distance and wash their hands frequently. This is the #1 way to slow the spread. My stance has been that we shouldn't be closing down entire economies.

    Isolating the elderly (which I assume is a group you belong to, or are getting very close to) is an additional step to help slow COVID hospitalizations and deaths (this has been a rallying cry of the elderly since day one). The elderly have been screaming that everyone should be isolated to protect them but now that I suggest it is them that should be isolated, because they are more likely to become seriously ill (filling up those hospital beds) and die from COVID, they cry foul and continually try to say that serious illness and death from COVID is something that everyone needs to worry about (that is just not true...yes a small percentage of people in the low risk category can become ill and die, low risk does not equal no risk).

    Using nursing homes as an example of why isolation does not work is disingenuous. Most elderly people do not live in nursing homes and it is not a normal environment that represents how the majority of the elderly people live around the world. Nursing homes are the absolutely last place anyone wants to be and it is a breeding ground for disease. It is where you go to die and many of the people in there are operating at a reduced mental capacity (when people are unable to even feed themselves you can't expect them to be able to remember to wash their hands, socially distance or wear a mask). You are intentionally misrepresenting what I have said. You are not carrying on this conversation in good faith.
     
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    So just let the whole economy fall into damnation? Sacrifice the lives and future of the youth and the next generations for years to come? It surprises me how narrow-minded some people are to think that there is a "proper" way to deal with this. So far, there is minimum success in stopping the transmission despite all the efforts and protocols put together by the IATF and other agencies. Sounds like you have a sensible all encompassing solution to this, please enlighten me.
     
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    Thanks! Here's the kicker, 82, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, cholesterol, Parkinson's and asymptomatic. Just came off a 10 day quarantine. I wonder if the test wasn't wrong, but they won't test for 90 days after a positive test. If they could determine who was susceptible and wasn't that would be another way to attack this thing. The vaccine is essentially doing the same thing, by making people not susceptible to it.
     
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    Just because there’s no or just little growth for a year or two doesn’t mean the end of the world.

    Actually, it’s giving the planet a break in quite few ways, and might even have positive effects in the long run (for example, less useless commuting to the office, more work from home, because hey, it works)
     
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