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  1. nwlivewire

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    Well again, for all those who have foreign spouses and have not yet retired, this is definitely a time where the spouse needs to re-evaluate their life retirement income streams and adjust fire as needed - if possible to do.

    For sure read the fine print!
     
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  2. Hans Boot

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    Wrye, I'm pretty sure there will be a minimum time-in-country rule: My wife came to my home country after we got married (and has spent more than 24 years there), and is eligible to a retirement pension (she has dual citizenship) of a little under 70% when she turns 67 (retirement age has been increased already). At this moment I get my state pension and additional financial support as she does not have an income, but that support is also subject to the same reduction I mentioned earlier. It's all age-related AND related to the number of years in country after turning 21.
     
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  3. Rye83

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    I think the point of the law is that the current system is not sustainable. If a man married a woman in her 20s is the government (or private company) supposed to pay her for 50 years after the husband dies? That's basically like paying the pension twice. I'm not sure how it works in the US as I'm nowhere near retirement age but as the baby boomers retire the country will not be able to afford to pay all their spouses (plus the spouses pension). I don't think that is how the system was originally designed. The younger generation is going to be screwed when it comes time to collect their pensions. Maybe I just don't understand how this pension thing works but I won't be counting on my government to do anything for me when I am old.
     
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  4. nwlivewire

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    WOW!

    That is really an ageist thing. Very subtle - but seems discriminatory on its face.

    Can that be derailed because it is age discrimination?

    As long as the two consenting parties married and were both of majority age, and that that said pension plan has already recognized you both as pension beneficiaries, (both primary and secondary), then how can they change the rules of the game in the middle of the game and it be legally applied to you? In your case, wouldn't that be a breach of contract? Who gives them the sole right to do this?

    I know in the States, when the military has a benefit change that can effect the payout of retirement benefits over time, they GENERALLY "grandfather" in those who are currently serving and/or those who are already retired and having use of that benefit (both primary and secondary beneficiaries). To do anything less is an egregious breach of contract.

    When a major change takes place, the diminished NEW rules/changes of that benefit are then applied onto those who enter into military service contracts when the new laws go into effect. They use the effective date of change worded as "effective on or after this date" to distinguish those who are "new hires" under the new retirement system, and those who are not and fall under the "old" retirement rules.

    What you're suggesting is that what the "system" is about to do seems not only discriminatory (and racist as it only applies to "foreign" spouses), but also borders on breach of contract.

    Do you have a website or forum group of retirees from this pension you're receiving that is active and vocal that you can reach out to?

    V/R,
    nwlivewire
     
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  5. Jack Peterson

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    :frown: Again, not something any of us want to think about But.......... my Private Pension Provider has sent some information about spouse expectations on the event of the death of the Pension Receiver.
    Now I am in my 3rd year of this pension which was guaranteed for 5 years.
    So should I stay alive (and I have every intention of) I will Run out of the guarantee by May 2018.
    Should I go before that, My Wife will get the remaining ( today it is 34 months) Months pension tax free as a Lump Sum, then 50% of the pension for the remainder of here life. [ With yearly increases]
    Now as with most things, Change have come. I am waiting for the decision on mine as it is in Force. But....
    from April 2016, they are making the Age gap between Husband and Foreign Wife No more than 10 years.
    If the Surviving foreign Wife is more than 10 years Younger the 50% pension to them will be reduced by a % to be decided at the time of the Pension Holders Death.
    Of Course I sent a mail to my other 2 pension providers but as yet have not had any Reply.
    Seems the private Sector , certainly in the UK, see age Difference as a cost platform to be dissected.

    Just a heads up and one that may need your attention to

    JP :bag: :whistling:
     
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