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  1. Notmyrealname

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    I am not blaming you personally for your laws.

    You state "adherence to values we hold dear and which we will not exchange for freedoms that erode family ties, corrupt women, and unprotect children". I see criminalizing women and not men for the same acts does not do much for family ties - nor does it help protect children (giving them a new stable family, without their mother facing imprisonment, would more likely achieve that).

    And I have no idea why you stated "even if we remain a backward or poor nation" as you know there are many much poorer nations who treat their own people better.

    I am pleased that "when we visit foreign lands, we are humble to respect and "do as the Romans do." In most foreign lands you can buy some of that land, are given huge discounts on houses you rented, can gain citizenship, are not made to 'jump through hoops' to leave when you want to, can legally challenge deportations and get treated, often, as equivalent to (in the UK 'better than') citizens.
     
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    It is troubling that no one can actually point out a law that states what the middle name must be. It seems very curious, to say the least, that it is called a "middle name" and not "Mother's maiden name" if that is indeed the case. Just asking for the mother's maiden name and placing it in the passport as "Mother's maiden name" would alleviate the problem completely.
     
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    If you want to see the whole text, there are two links on my OP. I really challenge anyone to find a way to argue that anything in those laws means the middle name must be the mother's maiden name. I'd be very happy in fact if you found it, because then I'd know it actually is the law.
     
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    It has no merit that one would argue adding the mother's maiden name as the middle name allows for a unique name. The birth certificate for Kuwait and America both say who the father and mother are, as should the documents from the Philippines. There is no one else on earth with her name with a very high level of certainty, but with absolute certainty, there is no one with her name with parents with our name.
     
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    Article 379 of the Civil Code does not pertain to how children are to be named in birth civil registry. It concerns permitted use of names other than one's legal name. Here's a published opinion about use of aliases by Supreme Court Chief Justice Panganiban at https://opinion.inquirer.net/84222/whats-in-a-name-4 and here's a published legal advice on use of pen names by Chief Public Attorney Acosta at https://www.manilatimes.net/2014/08/30/legal-advice/dearpao/law-allows-use-pen-names/122869/
     
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    Statutes, jurisprudence, government enforcement handbook, and even standard solving solutions for resolving middle name problems in birth record are all laid out for the sake of a child. You only have to read.

    Otherwise, for when she travels to Philippines if ever, return to the Philippine Embassy in Kuwait and get your daughter a Philippine visa as an American in lieu of a Philippine Passport. The decision and choice of action is yours alone, along with your wife, as parents of the minor. It does not really matter to any one else.
     
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    Unfortunately, you are not the Philippine Supreme Court that constitutionally bears authority on how to interpret and apply Philippine law. Still, Philippines is a democratic country and you are entitled to your personal opinion, even if it works disadvantage against you.
     
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    So just quit trying to obtain a Philippine Passport for your daughter.
     
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    Where in your reading does it say the law is the middle name must be the maiden name of the mother? You're putting up a "guide" like it is the law. Is that how you see it? Even your guide starts off with the word, "Generally." Do words not mean things to you as long as you believe something else? It then goes on to say "Middle Name. This may or may not have an entry." Again, it is optional. Nowhere does the law state a middle name must be the mother's maiden name.
     
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    I'm not going to quit trying to get what my daughter is constitutionally allowed, despite silly people wanting to state something is the law when it isn't. I haven't found a single decision by your Supreme Court that agrees with you either. The only reason this exists is because people keep saying it does, despite the law being clear. I'll let the embassy put her mother's maiden name as her middle name if that's what is lawfully required, but nothing you've posted leads me to believe it is anything other than older peoples' mutterings, holding on to control of their younger generation by a thread.
     
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