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The Middle Name

Discussion in 'Expat Section' started by eskirvin, Mar 15, 2021.

  1. Mom Miriam

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    Compliance, finally! Surely, your daughter will get a Philippine Passport. Congratulations in advance.
     
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    The interesting part in this whole conversation is where you show 6 case's of how to fill out the name for a child when only one case out of 6 is for legitimate children and the other 5 are for illegitimate children.. I thought this was a Catholic Country???
     
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    That makes sense. Married couples are treated better by the government, they have less need to use the courts.
     
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    Take care my friend if you end up with two nationality passports with different names. Not sure on rules in US on this, but it can be the cause of issues on renewal if you have to declare the other nationality passport.
     
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    Yes, exactly. Her birth certificate, Kuwait Civil ID, US Passport, and US CRBA all have her actual name, whereas the Philippines is requiring us to give her a new name for her to claim her rights. It seems some don't see the potential pitfalls in all of that, or actually like that there will be pitfalls. Thank you for the warning.
     
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    Yes! Amen! Let the foreign devil, his evil wife that doesn't marry within her race, and their abomination daughter bow down before our government, the Philippine's aristocracy! Yes! Surely Jesus will be happy for your loyalty to your government, right Imelda? I wonder how many shoes are in your closet.
     
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    I just cross posted this over on reddit and finally got something concrete. In the below cited decision, it was decided a person's name could be changed to avoid confusion. As the preponderance of evidence already pointed to a different name, the Philippines had no right to change it. My daughter's name is already on 4 official documents, so to avoid confusion, it should remain the same. The judge also stated that the birth record will clearly show who the mother and father is, so the other provisions cited by lower courts don't apply.

    https://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/17424/
     
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    It seems to me that page 11 allows for '...a change of name'.. without specifying which part of the name '...to avoid confusion...' This should be sufficient to allow you to register your daughter's name in the 'traditional' way and then change it, I think. Unsure whether it is sufficient to allow for non-traditional name registration in the first instance though.
     
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    I'm hoping that knowing it can be changed will be enough reason for them to make it as it should be in the first place. I am 95% certain that won't be the case, so I'll have to pursue the change after the fact, as you stated. The case clearly states a major point is to avoid confusion. As her name is without her mother's maiden name in 4 official documents from 2 countries, the clear way to avoid confusion is to make her name the same in the Philippines.
     
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    Wow, thank you reddit. Section 7 of the Constitution of the Philippines states as follows: "SECTION 7. Save in cases of hereditary succession, no private lands shall be transferred or conveyed except to individuals, corporations, or associations qualified to acquire or hold lands of the public domain." I think that was our biggest worry; that without Philippines citizenship she wouldn't be able to inherit what we leave behind.
     
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