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Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by Notmyrealname, Jan 17, 2021.

  1. Sedona

    Sedona DI Forum Adept

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    I read the article, and this is what does not make sense to me, their conclusion is: "Researchers collected data from the 50 countries with the most cases and found lockdowns were not associated with mortality reductions in critical COVID-19 cases, although factors such as obesity, smoking, and life expectancy were."

    They are saying that the number of critical COVID cases that end up in death is not effected by whether there is a lockdown or not. Huh? Why in the world would you expect that it should? This seems to me to be a case of an author of the paper who had an opinion and searched for a way to present data that on the surface seemed to support what he wanted to claim. It is completely meaningless to compare the percentage of critical cases that end up in death.
     
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  2. SkipJack

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    You are correct. In the face of the Chinese success to halt the spread of COVID, the concept that lockdowns do not work is absurd.

    This is simply people trying to justify their preconceived notions.
     
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    If the Chinese numbers are too be believed. Winnie the Poo is trying everything he can to distance China from the Wuhan Virus. I trust nothing they say when it comes to...well, pretty much everything.
     
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    It has almost been a year since China declared success against the corona virus They have been reporting very small numbers of cases since March of last year.

    Since then hundreds of thousands of people have traveled in and out of China. Including the WHO. (World Health Organization, not the band.)

    If the Chinese were lying about COVID case numbers, don't you think the truth would leak out by now?

    While subscribing to conspiracy theories, do you believe that the orange man won the US election?
     
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    I don't believe
    This borders on a personal attack.

    China lying and trying to distance themselves about/from COVID is NOT a conspiracy theory. It is a fact.
    https://www-news--medical-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200608/Cremation-numbers-reveal-possible-suppression-of-true-COVID-19-data-in-China.aspx?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQCrABIA==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16114023829214&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200608/Cremation-numbers-reveal-possible-suppression-of-true-COVID-19-data-in-China.aspx

    https://www-wionews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.wionews.com/world/how-is-china-spinning-the-story-of-coronavirus-here-are-the-five-big-lies-325833/amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQCrABIA==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16114023829214&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.wionews.com/world/how-is-china-spinning-the-story-of-coronavirus-here-are-the-five-big-lies-325833

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/comme...d-spying-global-aggression-pollution-and-more

    https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQCrABIA==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16114023829214&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html

    https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2021/01/19/health-care-workers-admit-china-lied-about-covid-19-documentary/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQCrABIA==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16114023829214&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://nypost.com/2021/01/19/health-care-workers-admit-china-lied-about-covid-19-documentary/

    https://www.hudson.org/research/165...out-covid-so-stop-taking-its-claims-seriously

    There are hundreds more articles on their communist party BS lies. If you want to believe anything they say then that is on you. I refuse to believe a d*mn thing that comes from that government.

    If you think I am in any way in support of that man-child Trump you have not been paying attention. Him and all the people that trespassed on the Capitol should be taken to the nearest tree.
     
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  6. SkipJack

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    The first reference you cite is based on the tracking of funeral urns. To believe this, the reader must believe that the tracking of funeral urns is more accurate and reliable than the tracking of hospital admissions and death. LOL

    If the number of funeral urns distributed and the period over which cremation services operated at full capacity operation up to March 23, 2020, are considered, the estimate of the total deaths up to this date reaches 36,000, which is over tenfold the official figure of 2,524. The cumulative infection could potentially be over 700,000. These estimates do not account for the mobile crematories and are likely to be significant under-estimates.

    All of your references are referring to February numbers. None of your references dispute the fact that China beat the virus with the use of lockdowns (isolation).

    Do you have or can you find any references that support your conclusion that there are still large number of COVID cases in China since June?
     
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    This is all just so tone deaf. If you don't trust the numbers the Chinese government reports, which you seem to believe, then whether the numbers are new or not doesn't matter at all. I'm glad you have a friend in China, but like any other government, I don't think they care about you.

    As to the personal attacks, which you evaded responding to, why is someone else's opinion such a topic of energy for you? Bash the holy living crap out of their opinion if you want to, but there's no call for attacking their character.
     
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