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  1. DavyL200

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    So unless Greek savers miraculously decide to cease withdrawing cash from their accounts, Greek banks would find themselves in serious straits as soon as Monday - because the banks have become dependent on ELA, approved by the ECB but supplied by the Bank of Greece, to provide the cash to depositors who want their money back.

    "We think the Greek government will have no choice but to announce a bank holiday on Monday, pending the introduction of capital controls," said a source.

    Capital controls are restrictions on how much customers can withdraw from banks. Until now, the Greek government has been signalling that it does not want to introduce this restriction on the way banks can operate.

    The expected decision by the ECB to terminate emergency lending to Greek banks stems from yesterday's decision by the eurogroup of finance ministers that there is no way now of preventing Greece tumbling out of the current bailout programme on Tuesday and also of defaulting on a €1.5bn (£1.1bn) due payment to the IMF on the same day.

    Painful episode
    So, with Greece no longer participating in a formal rescue programme, it is seen as impossible for the European Central Bank to continue extending credit to Greek banks - because the solvency of the Greek state would be in doubt, and the solvency of banks is so intimately linked to the solvency of the state.

    The prospect of banks being forced to close tomorrow, or, if they're not, of a devastating run on them, represents the most painful episode in Greece's financial and economic crisis, since it blew up in 2009.

    It is also the greatest perceived threat to the integrity of the eurozone since it was created in 1999.

    If the Greek government refuses to shut the banks, the European Central Bank - as regulator of eurozone banks - could recommend that all branches of Greek banks outside Greece be closed to preserve cash.

    But since Greek banks could get their hands on cash in branches outside the Greek mainland, closing overseas branches but not Greek branches would be seen as favouring Greek residents over customers in the rest of the world.

    ECB to turn off emergency help for Greek banks - BBC News
    Greece should never been allowed to enter the EU in the first place along with a few other countries, the debt is so large now they could never pay back the loan.
     
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  3. DavyL200

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    There are many reasons why Greece finds itself in a precarious financial position, one of which is its poor record at collecting tax. But is it really true that in 2010 the government collected only 10% of the tax it was due, asks David Rose

    Did Greeks fail to pay 89.5% of taxes? - BBC News

    That means that nearly one in four euros that potentially could be taxed in the country's economy simply weren't declared to the authorities, and the Greek government missed out on approximately 28bn euros ($31bn) of additional revenue each year.

    And it is looking like they will get another bailout,another waste of EU tax payers money!
     
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    I for one hope that the leaders of the various EU countries that have bled their taxpayers money into the Greek 'black hole' will listen to their constituents and tell Greece to go fly a kite! I still pay taxes in my home country
    I don't know what history books the author of that terrific piece of garbage reads, but I do seem to remember that a nice chunk of Greece's debt has already been written off in the recent past. Statements to the effect that Greek pensioners have been reduced to the beggar state are absolute nonsense and not based on anything but heresay. Sure, the picture of a crying man sitting against the facade of the bank makes nice news for the social media but it also makes one wonder where the billions and billions of Euro's have disappeared to that were taken from the Greek banks prior to them running out of cash. Only the happy few? Seriously doubt that. Let Greece first prove that they can and will implement measures that will reduce its spending significantly and enable it to pay the interests due its creditors before any debt-restructuring can be discussed. Until that happens, all their plans are no more that nice ideas and a whole lot of hot air, and I for one am not willing to donate any more of my cash into that black hole...
     
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    A recent IMF report (which the EU tried to suppress) concluded that the present debt burden of Greece is unsustainable. Obviously some serious fiscal reforms are necessary in Greece, but without a significant writedown and rescheduling of the existing debt, Greece will not climb out of the hole it's in.
    Merkel, in particular, is under pressure from her electorate who don't want to see more of their taxes going into this hole.
    So - is there the political / economic will to keep Greece in the EU?
     
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    If they do get another bailout I don't think they will ever pay off the loan and I bet it won't be the last time Greece defaults on a loan.
     
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    If the EU give out money that easily,I think I will apply for a loan :biggrin: Anyway the 80 billion should tie them over for the next 12 months! What a load of bollocks.
     
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    Well, well, well, something no-one had expected (tongue-in-cheek): There is an agreement between the EU and Greece!!! The bunch of idiots with very weak knees that are the leaders of the EU (for lack of a better description) have caved in and have come up with a 'deal' that will pump an additional 80+ BILLION Euro into the Greek black hole in return for a bunch of non-descript promises. This agreement plus all the austerity measures that it entails will have to be rammed through the Greek parliament within the next 2 days, including a bunch of laws that should ensure they will be acted on (laws and Greeks are entities that do not go well together, as we all know) before the next rould of negotiations will commence, but this is all regarded as rubber-stamping. I foresee a new scenario developing (call me a pessimist if you want to): Greek Government will fall within the next few months resulting in a new Government that will scratch all agreements and the whole circus will start all over again (meanwhile the Greeks have already received vast amounts to keep their banks open), or there will be a popular revolt and/or coup and that's the end of the 'democracy' in Greece. Both scenarios with the same result: EU (taxpayers) money down the drain......
     
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    New Greek proposals were e-mailed (!) to Dijsselblom last night. Bottomline: te Greek government wants another 53 billion Euro... Oh yes, they did mention some reforms that they might consider taking (like raising the retirement age to 67 by 2022) and raising taxation on the shipping companies (yes, the 100 or so families in Greece that factually run the country)...
     
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