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Vaccination Centers - Where ?

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  1. Rye83

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    Then make sure those workers get their vaccines. They are essential personnel who is contributing to ending this pandemic. Everyone else needs to wait their turn. The Indian people and government brought this on themselves. Conspiracy theories, holding massive religious events in the middle of a pandemic, denial that the virus is real, etc. The county should be quarantined from the rest of the world.

    It does not make any sense. When the oxygen masks drop in a plane you put yours on before helping those that cannot help themselves. The world needs developed countries to get back on track first. Trying to help those that cannot help themselves first is a recipe for disaster. You'll just end up putting yourself in their situation.
     
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    Even on a level of 'self interest' the whole world has to function as one to stop this virus and so they need to give vaccines to those country who cannot afford it. There is no point killing off the virus in some countries only to allow it to rage through others (some of huge populations), mutating endlessly and spreading the dangerous new variants back to the 'virus free' countries.
     
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    True, from that IP perspective. But it's equally true that if the first world doesn't soon help the third world where it's now raging, variants will re-afflict the first world and so will global economic damage. From the larger perspective, we're all in it together.
     
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    Deal with the current problem first, research has so far shown these vaccines are decent at protecting against variants. We can adjust to other variants later. The Covid vaccine will almost certainly turn into a seasonal vaccine situation like the flu vaccine. This virus is going to stick around for a long time. So much money to be made in pharmaceuticals. Probably a very safe investment with these pharmaceutical companies. Doesn't change the fact that focusing on developing (and non-contributing) countries is not worth the time, effort and money. The variants are going to change, third world countries are going to spread them and their governments are going to remain inadequate in doing anything other than enriching the political dynasties already in place.
     
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    We are not on an aeroplane though. Nor did the Indian people bring this on themselves.

    WHO guidance is very clear on the control of the pandemic beyond what is necessary. Fair access to vaccines for all countries. Economically sensible to boot.
    https://www.who.int/publications/m/...-covid-19-vaccines-through-the-covax-facility
     
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    The idiots had a massive religious ceremony that contributed to the spread of their more contagious variant. The rich in the country are fleeing on private jets to escape the nonsense going on there (and further spreading their variant). Electing and then demanding bs denial policy from those elected. They 100% brought this on themselves. Nobody should be allowed to enter or leave that country.
    Did the WHO give guidance for them to go out in mass to worship their imaginary gods? Has the WHO recommended that Indians figure out how toilets work and that sh*tting and p*ssing on the side of the road is not good for public health? WHO guidance means absolutely nothing in that country. A large portion of their population does not believe in modern science, they should not be given any priority to vaccines IMO.
     
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    Agree that developed nations that have contributed to vaccine production and can afford to buy in bulk should see to themselves as priority....BUT....there is NO argument for planning to stock vaccine way beyond what is required to do the whole population three times (UK policy - currently).
     
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    Ok, so let’s castigate a whole 1 odd Billion on the basis of religious odd mil or two. The super rich too. Sound familiar? And let’s face it, let’s isolate that particular part of the world that votes on a particular religious belief causing what? 400,000 deaths? C’mon man people in glass houses etc. Just as bad as each other. And they never invaded Iraq etc either.
     
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    Ideally, in order to reduce balderdash, information posted on the forum is substantiated with references.

    Please provide a link to substantiate your claim that the UK is "planning to stock vaccine way beyond what is required to do the whole population three times (UK policy - currently)"

    Now that the US is producing more vaccines than it is consuming, they will be giving 80 million doses to poor countries by the end of June.

    the U.S. will share a total of 80 million doses with the world, noting that the number is substantially higher than pledges from Russia or China, which he said have donated 15 million doses.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pply-than-russia-china/ar-BB1gQ02y?li=BBnb7Kz

    The UK has pledged to give away its surplus doses.

    He promised the government would be a "global force for good" in fighting the pandemic and, unlike "some countries", the UK would not use the promise of vaccine supplies to other countries as "short-term diplomatic leverage".

    A government source said more than half of excess doses would go to Covax, a UN initiative intended to ensure wider access to vaccines.

    The UK government has donated £548m to the COVAX scheme, to which the US pledged $4bn (£2.9bn) in December.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56117120
     
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    Many countries restricted American travelers from entering during the peak of transmissions in the US. Many still do. While this is detrimental to my personal interests I fully understand why these travel restrictions are in place. It's not a double standard. It is common sense to restrict travel to and from a country with a virus that is spreading out of control and that has a government that has proven to be completely incompetent. (Yes, the US government was incompetent in dealing with the pandemic as well.)

    What does Iraq have to do with anything? Are you trying to equate an illegitimate war with this pandemic? How are the two related? Are you saying that since India did not participate in that war that their hands are completely clean and they have never used their military for shady purposes? Come on.
     
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