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Vaccination Centers - Where ?

Discussion in 'Dumaguete City' started by SkipJack, May 15, 2021.

  1. Mike_Haddon

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    More recent article below than the Feb '21 article posted above, so the messaging from UK Gov Inc. seems a bit confusing.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj...ndmd&int_medium=cpc&int_campaign=usage-042019
     
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    NegOcc and Bacolod are more favored, d0 more trading, etc. Don't expect vaxx here till September, and expect glitches. PRC has provided no training yet to the local unit. Expect politics.
     
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    Nope. Just stating that there is a double standard here. Your original accusation was around “false gods” and conspiracy theories, let alone that a third world country cannot afford sanitation for a significant number of its people deserved contempt and isolation. It would seem to me that a fair whack of Murican politics is based on “false gods” and conspiracy theories. In terms of the Iraq jibe I would suggest thinking in terms of scale. You can’t hold a candle to US foreign adventurism. Of course India is up to what not here, there n everywhere.

    Anyways at least we have put to bed the homily that we are in an aeroplane. Let science rule. Fair distribution for all nations.
     
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    No, it wasn't. I don't care what imaginary sky daddy (or daddies) they or anyone else believes in. The anger was in having mass gatherings, without any concern for wearing face masks or social distancing, to worship them despite every health organization saying that was a horrible idea. Now they are paying the price...just as the US, and many other countries, did.

    Yeah, the US has plenty of these morons as well...and the American people did have their ability to travel internationally restricted by many countries. I think more countries should have done this sooner. (And this should should have been done to Chinese travelers much MUCH earlier.) India is just the latest country that's citizens should not be allowed to leave their borders. It is not a double standard at all as I am fully in agreement with this travel restriction policy for ANY other country, including my own.

    If they want vaccines their government should order them. They should already have contracts and agreements in place to have enough vaccines to vaccinate their entire population. Their government is failing them, they are failing themselves by electing the politicians they put in power. Stupidity at the voting booth has consequences (and the US is no stranger to this either).

    You keep using this "but look over there" argument. Yeah, the US screwed up in handling the pandemic (and many other things like human rights, wars, politics, etc, America is horrible, I get it). The US deserves criticism for it, have received plenty and deserve plenty more for bad policy that continues to come out. India deserves just as much, if not more, for their handling of the pandemic. Other countries deserve plenty of criticism as well. Bad behavior, decisions and policy made by one country does not excuse bad behavior, decisions and policy by another.

    Even worse, we are on a spaceship. Definitely want to put your spacesuit on first.
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    And who is responsible for requesting and ordering those vaccines? Scientists? No. Politicians are. It would be nice if science could rule the world in these matters but that is not the reality we live in. We live in a world with borders and self-interest. US voters (substitute any country you like here) don't vote for politicians to look out for the best interest of Indian citizens anymore than Indian citizens vote in politicians to look out for the best interests of American voters.
     
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    It is amazing how much damage libertarians can cause in a situation like this. Dismissing behaviors that reduce the spread of infection. "Give me liberty so that I can make more people sick." "Give me liberty to pray as I want, etc...."

    Interestingly, India is the largest manufacturer of vaccines in the world. India has a huge proportion of the worldwide pharmaceutical industry. Many of the big pharmaceutical companies either have manufacturing plants there or (more often) buy from manufactures in India.

    The WHO contracted with Indian companies to produce vaccine for other poor countries in the Covax initiative. Now the Indian companies are reneging on those commitments as they divert doses to the local Indian population. This will impact supply here in the Philippines as well.

    Asked about the October timeline, COVAX co-lead GAVI told Reuters at least 140 million doses it had expected from the Serum Institute by the end of May will now remain in India.

    UNICEF, which is helping supply COVID-19 vaccines through COVAX, estimates the supply shortfall at about 190 million by the end of June.

    The move has left countries including Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka and many in Africa scrambling for alternate supplies.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/india...-19-vaccine-exports-until-october-2021-05-18/

    Also interesting is how low the production rates have been for the Russian Sputnik vaccine. It is being financed by the Russian Direct Investment fund so the Russian people have a chance to make a lot of money. Sure for political reasons they will over promise in an effort to get political credit but the production rates are horrible.

    If you remember they got the jump on early approval in Russia. You would think that having more time, they would have ramped up production by now. They just can't seem to be able to put the production in place. They are severely failing to deliver on their commitments. This will impact deliveries here in the Philippines too.
     
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    Calm down daddio. IMHO ye come across in yer furst post as e blazing maniac. Am sure there is common ground here. All I’m sayin is let’s no bung bullets is all. I’d rather trust WHO than a poster on a wee forum. Spacesuits from a man I nae met is tish to me. I go to the science. Recovery from this pandemic depends on a global approach that is inclusive, fair, humanitarian n economically sound. Suspend your judgements lad, cultural or otherwise. I called ye out for the racist shite in yer first post. Own it.
     
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