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Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by Notmyrealname, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. EnsureAllure

    EnsureAllure DI New Member

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    Please just don't get me wrong with my comments. I was just sharing what I have read with no other intentions. Anyway, we have our own wisdom and understanding and it's all up to us to decide what's best for us.
     
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  2. SkipJack

    SkipJack DI Senior Member

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    Looking at a few of these they generally fall into two categories.

    1) History of allergic reactions.

    2) Very old people in nursing homes who were already near death suffering from severe health issues. They died of these health issues and not related to the vaccine.
    active heart disease and malignant disease, who has undergone a number of heart attacks
    'he suffered from prolonged, complex, and severe background illnesses.'
     
  3. Rye83

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    So if these people get COVID and die it is automatically a COVID related death but if they die directly after getting the vaccine is it not a COVID vaccine related death?

    If this vaccine increases the risk of death people need to know about it. We have already set the standard that age and existing health conditions don't matter when it comes to COVID. Everyone should be fearful of this virus no matter how low the risk factor is for their demographic. The same standards should apply to the vaccines. Every life matters and we cannot take any risk that would prematurely end one of these lives...even if it is only by a few days/weeks/months/years/decades.

    However, those links provided really seem like they are trying to appeal to emotion. I don't give a crap about individual or anecdotal evidence. People have reactions to vaccines, it is just part of it. When you have millions/billions getting vaccinated even a tiny percentage will result in thousands/millions having a reaction. These reports mean absolutely nothing on their own and are completely normal and expected when you vaccinate a huge number of people.
     
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  4. SkipJack

    SkipJack DI Senior Member

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    I agree that the links provided by @EnsureAllure are trying to appeal to emotion in support of a premise in ALL CAPS. Should we give him/her a trolling point?
    Furthermore it appears that @EnsureAllure has embedded Facebook tracking in the underlying links. Is this sinister intent?

    For example the link text in @EnsureAllure post is
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf

    But the underlying link address is actually:
    https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2RQ_ZNdTIq4pNwCPt4fq6EN8lK8IrKmr7GOe2INE8lpypjfj1OT_9ShsU&h=AT1P9AmM1Ie-11g43mKwZj9iuVqjbXFhspPsQZiXk-M5QzQKNAfdwuj0BgnMoG3Ise0Doapq6ViGOVj0dBTmLwEqCmjWQpFts4cuejREYH4chUEldYS0brMG49ro2jg8f-v1&utm_source=DI&utm_medium=referral

    Is @EnsureAllure trying to get peoples identity?

    Back to the point.

    The news today has become a marketing mechanism. Emotional drama sells so the news has become more emotionalized. Sadly there is a bit of fear mongering going on. This is a result of the media trying to sell itself and its advertisements. Not the government trying to make us afraid.
    To say we cannot take any risk is a bit melodramatic. There are tradeoffs. More lives can be saved by getting vaccinated than without.

    The vaccine issues are very different than COVID. We can easily stop administering the vaccine if the adverse health effects start filling up hospitals. On the other hand active measures need to be constantly applied to reduce the transmission of COVID to keep the hospital admissions within a manageable number. We cannot stop the spread of COVID so easily. This is the critical point of the issue with COVID, we are not in control like we are with the administration of the vaccine.

    We cannot let the younger generation spread the contagion willy-nilly while only isolating the older at-risk population.
    No, the situation is not so simple. In most cases of related death, COVID has a severe negative effect on a persons health and is a contributing factor in their death. Whereas the vaccine has a much smaller negative health effect and therefore many of the subsequent deaths are simply the circumstance of the patients other health conditions.

    In other words because it has a much lower negative health effect the vaccine related deaths are much lower than the COVID related deaths.
    True. The information needs to be scientifically analyzed so as to determine how much the vaccine is responsible in the deaths. Then people can be informed as to the consequences.

    Many people like @EnsureAllure feel the need to jump to and spread their mis-conclusions and tracking links.
     
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  5. SkipJack

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    Please explain why the underlying link addresses in your post includes Facebook tracking information.

    For example the link text:
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf

    Has the following underlying link address:
    https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2RQ_ZNdTIq4pNwCPt4fq6EN8lK8IrKmr7GOe2INE8lpypjfj1OT_9ShsU&h=AT1P9AmM1Ie-11g43mKwZj9iuVqjbXFhspPsQZiXk-M5QzQKNAfdwuj0BgnMoG3Ise0Doapq6ViGOVj0dBTmLwEqCmjWQpFts4cuejREYH4chUEldYS0brMG49ro2jg8f-v1&utm_source=DI&utm_medium=referral
     
  6. PatO

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    When I was in boot camp, we were all given the Typhoid Fever vaccine. I was the only one in our platoon who got a high fever and vomiting and 3 days in the hospital.
     
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    I find it interesting that you're using the above two reasons to explain away reactions to the AV, but they don't seem to work for you in regards to the virus itself.

    On another topic, that facebook junk is just most likely the link provided by facebook to get to those sites. There's nothing sinister there on the poster's part. Not everyone is internet/technology savvy.
     
  8. Toto

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    GMA News
    Here's the information you should know in relation to the anti-COVID-19 vaccinations that could possibly arrive in the country this year.
    [More information]
    - Today the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved the application of Pfizer-BioNTech to have emergency use authorization for their vaccine here in the Philippines. ( upload_2021-1-15_17-2-3.png http://bit.ly/3bxrrh8)
    - One of the most expensive Sinovac vaccinations with only 50 % efficiency rate will arrive in the country this February, according to DOH Sec. Doque. ( upload_2021-1-15_17-2-3.png http://bit.ly/39h1xeS)
    - Remember that some members of the Presidential Security Group (PSG) had illegal vaccination using Sinopharm vaccine from China. ( upload_2021-1-15_17-2-3.png http://bit.ly/3bExm4a) According to Defense chief Delfin Lorenzana, it can be considered ′′ smuggled ′′ because it did not go through the right process. ( upload_2021-1-15_17-2-3.png http://bit.ly/3qwdqVl) PSG's defense, they only did it to protect the president. ( upload_2021-1-15_17-2-3.png https://bit.ly/2KdtUC9)
    (Information regarding vaccine price is from Sen's office. Awesome) this is a translation
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    Notmyrealname DI Forum Luminary Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer

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    The UK, with a population of about 66 million, is having a massive logistical effort to vaccinate the population - so how much more here, with c 110 million and, can I say kindly, not the best logistics if other examples are noted. Also, the UK is rounding up volunteers, from all walks of life, to do the injections - rather worrying here.
     
  10. Toto

    Toto DI Forum Adept

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    It provides the link to the source Rye. It also provides the top answer, which I happen to like. You state the obvious. By posting that answer, I invite criticism from the intelligent people on this forum of that answer. It's an expectation that needs not be spoken. :smile: If it deserves criticism, that *WILL* happen.
     
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