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Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by Sedona, Jun 22, 2021.

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    Wait a minute ... you're trying to think rationally.
     
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    You would need to be breaking a law to be arrested, right? This is just the normal machismo diarrhea of the mouth designed to scare Filipinos into submission. I won't concern myself with this nonsense until legislation or policy is drafted up mandating a person accept any vaccine offered to them. If that happens then I'll hop on the first available flight back to the US and get a vaccine that has much wider international acceptance (and works much better).
     
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    It's so sad and ignorant that so many in the US claim they don't want the vaccine and are refusing to take one. Our new president needs to start shipping out more of ours to American citizens oversees who want them and then anybody else.
     
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    The US vaccination rate is pretty decent considering they haven't authorized (or just recently did) any of the vaccines for children yet.
     
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    I'm part of a small community of US citizens in Kuwait. In this small community, 2 people have died of COVID-19, after receiving approved vaccines. Both were outside of the waiting period for the vaccine to be fully effective. Dozens of others have come down with COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated. The vast majority of my small community are in good health and under 60, so they have little to fear from the virus itself. Yes, we've had otherwise healthy people get COVID-19 and recover only to have negative experiences persist.

    What's all of that mean? People should be given a choice, as most are right now, to take the vaccine or not, and they should have to live or die by that choice. Vaccinated people still carry the disease. Vaccinated people still die by the disease. Why is the world pushing so hard to have people shot up with something that's ineffective?

    Personally, I'm vaccinated. Why? The negatives of not being vaccinated outweigh the negatives of being vaccinated. That was my choice though, since it is my risk. Want a little vision of the future? At the end of 2022, the Philippines will still be fighting COVID-19, still experiencing ineffective lockdowns, and you'll all be here arguing about how the lockdown just isn't long enough or strict enough. Let's see how well this post ages.
     
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    The vaccine you are looking for will be here soon.

    The Philippine government has signed a supply agreement for 40 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech SE

    The Philippines has now ordered 113 million doses from five vaccine manufacturers, including
    26 million from China's Sinovac (SVA.O),
    10 million of Russia's Sputnik V,
    20 million doses from Moderna (MRNA.O) and
    17 million doses from AstraZeneca.

    40 million doses from Pfizer

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...izerbiontech-vaccine-doses-report-2021-06-20/
     
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    The first and biggest vaccine-hesitant is the elected official who dithered for months before signing the Pfizer agreement, putting his country at the end of the list. He was not the only leader to balk at immunizing the manufacturer from legal consequence, and keeping secret how much is paid. But unlike others, he did not appreciate where power lies in today's world.
     
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    Metro Manila (CNN Philippines, June 22) — Justice Secretary Menardo Guevarra believes President Rodrigo Duterte "merely used strong words" when he warned people that they will face jail time if they refuse to get vaccinated.

    "I believe that the President merely used strong words to drive home the need for us to get vaccinated and reach herd immunity as soon as possible," Guevarra said in a statement on Tuesday.

    Duterte earlier threatened to arrest Filipinos who decline the coronavirus shot in the middle of a national emergency.

    "Mamili kayo, magpabakuna kayo o ipakulong ko kayo sa selda? (You choose, get vaccinated, or I send you to jail?)" Duterte said in his public address on Monday.

    Guevarra said there is no law yet that penalizes people who refuse to get their COVID-19 shots.

    "As a lawyer, he (Duterte) knows that not getting vaccinated is a legal choice; there is no law as yet that compels vaccination against COVID-19, much less criminalizes it, as presently available vaccines are still in their trial phases," he said.

    In an interview with CNN Philippines' The Source, Metro Manila Development Authority Chair Benhur Abalos said Duterte merely made the threat "out of frustration" as the country's "father."

    "Parang ama naman natin siya eh, he wants to show the seriousness of these things. Nakikita mo naman sa tono niya," Abalos said.

    [Translation: He's like our father, he wants to show the seriousness of these things. You can realize that from his tone.]

    Meanwhile, Health Undersecretary Myrna Cabotaje expressed a similar sentiment and urged the public to look at the context of Duterte's pronouncement. She said people can still receive vaccines with free and informed consent.

    "I think it is the context na kailangan nating tignan sa pronouncement na iyon ng President. Because ang sabi nga niya (I think it is the context that we should look at when it comes to the President's pronouncement, because he said) no one is safe until everyone is safe and he wants safe and effective vaccines for all Filipinos," she said in a briefing.

    More than 2 million Filipinos have so far completed their doses, still far from the government's target of achieving herd immunity by inoculating at least 70 million Filipinos by yearend.

    Malacañang said the government is administering about 322,000 doses a day and is targeting sufficient supply to achieve 500,000 daily doses. About 11 million doses are expected to arrive in the Philippines this month alone."

    BUT, note the "Guevarra said there is no law yet that penalizes people who refuse to get their COVID-19 shots."

    "Yet"!
     
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