⌛ Comical Non smoking lobbist found in Dumaguete Public Market bar

LOL. Good one Dave, and right on the money!

Actually, I was there at the time, and I didn't find Robert to be rude about it, as Jesus says. Jesus's smoke was going into Robert's face, (maybe just a wee bit insonconsiderate?) and Robert asked him to trade him places so that wouldn't happen. Although drunk, I did not feel he was obnoxious or rude about it.

Also, I was standing right there, and I saw no Filipinos who took the slightest notice of this transaction. There were a total of 4 people (including Jesus and Robert) who could have heard this conversation, all of foreign nationalities.

If Jesus only knew how Robert USUALLY acts, well maybe he would see it differently.



Considering this is probably the only place in town where Robert is still welcome, perhaps Jesus should migrate to the Boulevard where I'm sure everyone will be happy to breathe his second hand smoke, and he would not have to worry about Robert being annoyed by his smoke.

On another note, I cannot dispute the 15 Y.O. aspect of Jesus's observations, but then again, this is Robert!

On another another note, Robert no longer owns a motorcycle.

Considering the facts as I know them to be from being 4 feet from this conversation, I would conclude that part of Jesusitsshots's memory is shot, or he has a vivid imagination, or he just wants to complain about an American.

Larry

 

I heard the name Robert slung in this guys direction once or twice, so this guys a regular horror at the market place booze area. Looks like he is heading for trouble and at a guess I would say he finds it regularly. Drinking alchol can make one ten times worst a pest than any smoker in a no smoking carriage not to good either for the American image of which I find is normal good here in duma. However we Brits have our fools and village idiot on the loose in candy land.

This is not the same guy that's on the deportation list for under age sex list as his name was Robert something. Possibly it is best to stay away from these market bars as I am now thinking that its a resting place for drunks and they go there because the beer is cheap and they don't mind the smell of fish etc. I normal drop in for a coke when I go to the market to buy fish or fruit and stuff. I am normal left alone and not pestered whilst quenching my thirst. Only to get a nod and a good day from ex-pats there. But I must admit some of them look a bit shady and very shabby and not in any fashionable way. Some even smell and have stained clothes so at a guess this is not really a good tourist attraction as the tourist are not very attractive, lol

Perhaps this Robert want to chase away the good guys to make space for his own degenerated drunken friends. My clothes must of looked to new and to clean and of course the bottle of coke was a dead give away. lol I had just visit immigration and I looked smarter than normal. The bunch of bananas of I had bought earlier must of made him think I was someone to monkey with. It must of took at least 20 minutes for him to realize I was smoking as he only seemed to notice after staggering out of the drinking den to belch and let wind. lol

 

This is a very tough topic because on the one hand I can sympathize with the smoker because I myself used to be a smoker and I know that it took me more than two years of concentrated effort to finally quit. But on the other hand when I see a smoker I see my sweet dear aunt who begged for a cigarette as the doctors were prepairing to remove part of her throat, an operation she did not survive, so what I think when I see a smoker is that the best thing that person can do is quit and I just need to slap that cigarette out of their mouth.

Now I know that is not going to work but if it lets that person know that someone cares that much about the other person they will be shocked into sense. That would be what I really want but there are those who believe it is their right to smoke so what can you do?

So while our subject of this post most probably was a jerk, there could also have been a little bit of human love this person was having a hard time dealing with was all. So if you do meet an american looking person who does not say a word but just slaps the cigarette from your mouth or who looks like that is what they are about to do, than that was just me, hope you will understand why I would like to do such a thing.

 

Spot on advertising, wonderfully smart the Google programming team must of taken hours and days to write code to trap and related to actual subject matter. But you are showing your self as someone that takes note of advertising and to be one click away from cyber indoctrination they tell me that nicotine and caffeine is the only answer and cure. the smoke hides the adds and the coffee makes you wide awake to the subject matter and not the tempting add. lol

However stick of incense stuck in an orange in front of your VDU or a burning oily rag can be a second best detergent for those that are addiction free. Don't forget the fire extinguisher or a bucket of sand. don't chuck water over an active computer terminal as it will never work again. Please take advise before using your cup of coffee to put out the flames of a burning keyboard as coffee makes the key stick.

Simply don't do this at home it could be dangerous to your wealth add addiction can be such a terrible thing, lol

And smoking makes you look angry...

Best wishes from an addict.

 

If you see a British guy that wants to knock the beer bottle or glass of rum out of your hand, your know that's sometimes that's what I would like to do. Social drinking is fine, binging is not and smoking cigaretes in a area that is not banned by law and is acceptable as being a place to smoke is fine, law full a citizens rights. Non smokers no these places exist and know there are main places where they can sit enjoy and not be bothered by smoke.

However a non drinker finds obnoxious drunk people in ever nook and cranny where evening entertainment exists. An rehabilitated alcoholic has a harder life than a rehabilitated nicotine addict.

I say live and let live obey the laws and signs and stay away from the things you don't like and remember you are not the only person living on this planet and most humans are weak willed to some form of addiction.

So if I punch you for knocking a cigarette out of this poor addicts mouth in a place where other smoke and its accepted and lawful you must understand I am just standing up for my rights even when addicted the addiction is a legal one. I expect the same from you if I pushed the drink out of your hand.

There is a sensible human approach to take when dealing with your fellow mans problems, forcibly and arrogantly attacking a stranger for what you see is their short comings in a place they are allowed to have these short comings as the law allows, is rude and down right selfish and mostly is hypocritical because we all have some problems that others do not like or wish to see. The wisdom of course is live and let live and this wisdom if seen by all as being sensible wisdom would make the whole world a better place to live in.

 

What I saw

I was in the market with my wife to purchase fish and vegetables. I saw Robert and his close cousin Tom (both are among Dumaguete's most loved American expats) sitting in a normal position for them, and stopped to talk while the wife went into the market.

I had been standing there about 2 minutes when a gentleman appeared, and sat behind and to the right of Robert, less than a foot away. This person immediately lit a cigarette and stuck his nose in a paperback book, ignoring the fact that his smoke was going directly into Robert's face. Robert turned to him and asked him to please move, as his smoke was going into his face. Robert moved his chair over to make room for the newcomer. Within a few minutes, the newcomer left.

I did not feel Ropbert was rude about the way in which he asked this person in question to move, in fact, for Robert, he was quite nice about it.

In my opinion, the person who was by far the rude one in this encounter was the one who could not care less about whose face his smoke went into. Law or no law, does there not being a law in place override basic common courtesy? Does everyone have to breathe second hand smoke because one inconsiderate individual not care where his smoke goes?

Now, I read this exagerated account of the event. My goodness, this person should be a fiction writer, so blown out of proportion and one sided it is, in order to place himself in the best possible light, when in fact it was his outright inconsiderate rudeness that instigated this event.

If Robert had spilled his tea, I feel this person would liken it to the Boston tea party!

What hogwash, man. Get a life and some common courtesy to fellow human beings, you're making even ROBERT look good! Talk about someone making a fool of themselves.

Larry

 

it all sounds a bit petty to me, but i do believe in being considerate, a place where you can drink and smoke is exactly that! i know there are places in Dumaguete where smoking isn't allowed and you can still buy a beer, i'd suggest using them sort of places or go in smoking places and choose a seat up wind! then constantly move as the wind changes, consideration goes both ways!!!

by the sound of things the no smoking places i know that sell beer, are generally more expensive, maybe this guy just prefer ruff arse places, so perhaps he should put up with ruff arse habits?

 

Actually Robert was standing up and drinking beer out side the establishment I had been sitting there quitely not saying boo to a goose. He did not say any thing about changing places and as the place had room to swing a cat and plenty of place to stand away from my smoke, the guys attidute was totally in attack mode. There was no please it was set to cause an argument. I have stated clearly and meant what i said if he had ask me not to smoke I in a good mannered way. I would of put out the weed.

Robert can not be excused and if what your saying is true the guy is a trouble maker and known for it as it would seem that the guys on the Boulevard do not welcome his company. I agree should forgive people and in this case feel sorry for the guy. But please lets be fair here and see the truth as the truth. I assure you I have accurately stated the truth here i truthfully had no spite for this guy until yesterday. He was totally out of order and I kindly suggest if your a friend please help the guy to realise that his drinking is the problem as I suspect that he is a nice guy when not drunk.

As for me I will not be disturbed by a drunk it will not restrict me where I go and what I do. however this guy has lost my respect and it would seem he is doing a good job of annoying others while he is drunk thus he is not presently welcome on the Boulevard.

I must however praise you at being this mans friend and sticking up for his offensive way and even trying to water down the occurance its christianm and commendable.

If I truthfully thought that guys drunk related problem was not serious and bad for America's profile here in duma, I would of simply forgot the incident but this guys drunken attitude can and now I am fully aware has caused problems and lost him credibility and acceptance. Its actually pretty sad truthfully as a friend please make an effort to get this guy to stop drinking to much its the best thing a friend could do. though I expect a very hard task.

Thanks for sticking up to a fellow human being but not for trying to wash the incident away by a white lie or two. its commendable but unfortunately not what actually happened. I wished I had had a few friends like you when i was making a mess of my life.

 

You may not be the tall, slender, 60-70 Y.O, grey haired gentleman with a book I saw then, because you obviously were either not the person I witnessed an encounter with or your alzeimers and perception is worse than you think.

I was trying to "wash" nothing, I just stated what I saw in the market. Perhaps you were amonsgt a string of inconsiderate smokers who had annoyed Robert that day, and perhaps why he may have been as rude as an inconsiderate smoker who thinks everyone should have to breathe their second hand smoke.

Larry

 

you have to be joking about being worried about second hand smoke in Dumaguete??? the fumes from every vehicle near the market has got to be a worse health hazard!! i think a move to the mountains is a healthier option