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    I can see why you were so deeply adamant with the subject about tourism in the Philippines and putting Thailand as a model to discourage tourism that with it’s draw backs the Philippines should keep away from this tourism industry as well flaunting the country as retirement haven .I think your views is very narrow and substantiated with very exaggerated facts ,picking up one off
    instances to support your strong views pointing your finger on tourism alone as the sole culprit to cause all destructions ,whilst stifling other obvious facts that aren’t anyhow supporting your views .

    Like you mention about coral reefs destruction in Thailand. There is considerable destructions of coral reefs around some touristic islands due to human activities ,but adding to that because of the wrecking tsunami in the end of 2004 it cause destruction to vast area of reefs in Thailand. Another is the coral bleaching phenomenon due to climatic changes .This is specifically identified as intertidal bleaching which destroyed most corals in Phuket and many other coastal locations in Thailand .

    You also mentioned about prevalent cases of liver cirrhosis all over the islands. Liver cirroshis can be triggered by various causes apart from excessive drinking,it could be from viral infections ,like hepatitis , again there was no official finger pointing on tourism as the main trigger to the prevalence of liver cirrhosis in the islands .

    Any country with limited environmental laws and concerns ,weak implementation of these laws and policies ,whether tourism is PRESENT or NOT will itself be destroyed by its own people driven by growing population rate and poverty thus and clinging to life for survival. Any country with people that are less informed and less educated will bear the inevitable dire consequences they will bring to their environment.
     
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    With regards to the Philippines , the environment is already half destroyed not because of tourism but because of it’s own people.It is only in the past 2 decades that some major awakening happened regarding self discovery of vast environmental degradation, and destruction of marine ecosystem due to unconventional fishing practice, to mention dynamite fishing and muru –ami fishing methods . We are loosing our forest and jungles to due continued illegal methods ,eg slash and burn agriculture practice in the hinter lands .I saw all in my bare eyes when I visited in 1992 the Ta’ut bato tribal group alone as a tiny unit inhabiting in the remote jungle of Palawan,doing this same practice of chopping and burning inches and inches of the jungle to complement their ways of survival of hunting and gathering,and this had been a popular practice some years ago.

    I was raised in a Philippine coastal village and as a child I enjoy playing in the rock pools.But I always see these fishing folks in these pools breaking the lovely corals putting it in their fishing baskets as guise of refuge to attract the fishes inside.I see these practice all the time. Some fisher folks even get some tuberous plants that dispenses some mild poison for the fish .But at that time, there’s no law banning all those practice until recently .This is just one tiny picture how destructive less informed population can be and there are millions of Filipinos living in coastal areas that did the same practices.
    I can hear stories from fishermen, killing dolphins too because they drive schools of fish away,and with some mysterious stroke to make it sound entertaining.The Philippine govt. has realized all these in no time will destroy the entire environmental resources

    But now a days there is strong environmental awareness in the Philippines that has put legislations in place and environmental strategies to combat environmental degradation cause mainly by human activities, not by TOURISTS but by it’s own people.

    Statistical forecast shows by 2040,the Philippines will almost double it’s population to 140 million Filipinos. With such great number of people, assuming economy would still be as the same ,surviving in the fringes of poverty and hunger and socio-economic deprivation will inevitably destroy the total environment ,and not because of tourism.
    The Philippines don’t need big expat villas and hotels in the coast lines to destroy the environment. Ofcourse it will only consist of a small community starving people who need to eat and survive by all means utilize ,used up what is available in their natural surroundings. What is beauty of untouched nature and pure wilderness if people are dying out of hunger. Tourism alone should never be singled out as sole culprit of environmental ills. Rapid population growth rate is a big factor vs the whole global environment. There are various interrelated factors that will affect the environment like advancement in aviation technology and travel,these promotes tourism ,communication , migration, consumerism ,increase pollution growth , growing poverty ,less awareness and safeguarding policies for environmental protection , and so forth, will bring risks of destruction to the environment .

    Based on your recent posting today obviously you understand the argument about effects of poverty and lack of proper environmental controls and protection .If tourism helps reverse the worst effects that poverty brings to environment by promoting sustainable kind of tourism ,then why can’t it be given a try. That’s what the Philippines is trying to adopt a different development framework that will both benifit local communities,the people and the environment from the advent of sustainable tourism.
     
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    Coral reefs in the Philippines

    Coral reefs are not destryed by people diving down to look at them...

    They are however destroyed by local fishermen using dynamite to catch fish. In my opinion tourism is the main reason that dynamite fishing has gone down so much, without the carrot of tourist money I doubt much would have been done to stop it.
     
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    I all agree with that.
     
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    I can’t see why tourism should not be promoted in the Philippines . Tourism can give benefit to develop local communities and through the gains of tourism will make people more informed and be responsible citizens in safeguarding their environment.
    Tourism in itself is not destructive ,but rather it is the consequence of the lack of tourism planning and management and proper implementation of protection strategies that brings destruction .Tourism can reverse the destructive effects of population growth and poverty ,by diverting people to a alternative direction of livehood through sustainable tourism.

    The advent to promote eco-tourism in the Philippines has taken considerable environmental protection strategies and planning involving people in communities which made people aware of their significant role and parcipation in protecting their natural resources. The Boracay experience of uncontrolled tourism boom had in effect made significant changes in the current outlook of tourism framework .I hope it all works for the best interest for the Philippines ,it’s people and long term preservation of the environment.
     
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    Puerto Princesa Cleanest City in the Philippines

    Puerto Princesa is another fine example on how tourism has had a great impact on the city. The city was named the cleanest city in the Philippines for a long time (I don't know if the title stands still) and that brought tourism to town and motivated the locals to do something to keep this status.

    Many other places has similar campaigns going to attract and encourage tourism.

    By many of the coasts, the beaches has for many years been used as garbage dumps, meaning you leave your trash on the beach and the next morning the tide has cleaned your beach again - pure magic.

    Tourism is in my opinion important to force local goverments to do something about these problems.
     
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    Bayawan City Beach/Boulevard

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    White Sand Beach Close To Dumaguete

    That looks like white sand, I guess I gotta get over on that side of the island, I still havent been south of Zamboanguita :smile:

    Also that side of the island should have pretty calm waters with the waves coming from north right now...

    Any suggestions on where to go? and should it be for a one day trip or an overnight thing?
     
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    I posted a lot of pictures in this site:Dumaguete City and Negros Oriental: A University Town - Thread 4 - Page 25 - SkyscraperCity. You may also see the official website of Bayawan City on where to go and what to do there. The place is nice because of its coastal boulevard, which will be the longest in the Philippines when finished. I could see that this boulevard area would be good for retirees, especially foreigners, if they put up amenities such as hotels and condominiums, shopping malls, etc.

    The sand is not exactly white, but golden, and very clean. The waters are calm from middle of December until summer. But Bayawan City is a haven for surfers from June until Novermber.
     
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    You are actually advocating controlled development, and distributing wealth properly among our populace, which I like very much to happen. This does not anymore belong to the free market. But this could only be very effective if the institutions are strong and functioning, and being respected by the people. But has any government attained this? We have the communist governments before, and did they succeed? Look at China now. Look at Russia now. Where have they gone?

    Can you suggest any form of a strong government which could attain what you are suggesting here?
     
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