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Snorkling with a net

Discussion in '☋ Diving and Marine Life ☋' started by The Dane, Nov 13, 2006.

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  1. yabs

    yabs DI Forum Adept Restricted Account

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    good one
    already facing enough stresses from overfishing, dynamite etc and this idiot goes snorkelling to catch more.
    should be ashamed of yourself
     
  2. ginni6

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    yabs you are absolutly right
     
  3. yabs

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    interesting to note that cebudiver a self professed marine biologist specializing in coral reefs also offered advice on how to catch fish in a sanctuary. shows him up for the charlatan he is.
    I can never get over peoples ignorance to marine environments.
    If you truelly like snorkelling then look and don't touch
    I'm really having a ahard time understanding how someone thinks its ok to fish in a sanctuary to fill his own aquarium.
    thats not was a sanctuary means d*ckwad
    it means you don't take anything.
    I hope for your sake I never ever see you do that when I'm there
     
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    there are over 10 - 15 reef fish competing for every space availible in the habitat - hand netted reef are quickly replaced in the habitat and proper hand netting technique reduces damage to coral caused by cyanide and the clumsy chasing of fish with the net ( ie chase the fish to the net - its more effective and less damaging) Yabs - are you aware that environmental agencies in the US came to the philippines to teach hand netting techniques to tropical fish collectors ( who previously used cyanide and another toxin derived from the root of a local plant) and that this program was successful in preventing reef damage?
    as for breaking the law in a sanctuary - leave them alone - nets are not allowed within sanctuary boundries to allow those areas to produce enough young fish to re-populate surrounding waters - which works quite well when enforced - local net fishermen use large fine mesh nets many times a day in areas outside the sanctuary and this depletes many species (mostly open water ones) - enforced sanctuary zones help to minimize this and I have been active in petitioning the DNR to establish one in Liloan -what have you done ??? a
    guy catching a few fish for his aquarium has a very small impact - and doing it properly has almost none - so is it bad to advise on how to net properly without causing coral breakage?
    or is it better to sit on your computer and throw insults and threats at anyone who says anything you don't agree with without doing anything to actually improve the environmental situation anywhere - enlighten me if you have ever done anything that has actually made any positive difference -
    EVERY POST YOU HAVE MADE HERE (AND ON THORNTREE)HAS BEEN NEGATIVE
    WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WERE BANNED FROM THORNTREE SO MANY TIMES??
    YOUR ENLIGHTENED INSIGHTS???
    from Reef Relief - Coral Reef Conservation: Science Education News Photos and Information
    In the Philippines, there are approximately 2,500 full-time and part-time fish gatherers who eke out a meager subsistence. Many are being trained to switch back to traditional netting methods, but often the exporters who buy and transport the fish from them also sell them the deadly cyanide. These exporters demand cyanide use to enhance their profits and fisherfolk are indebted to them. REEF RELIEF urges aquarium hobbyists to ask their aquarium fish dealer for net-caught, cyanide-free fish. Or, hold off on purchasing salt-water fish until it can be shown that they are gathered in a sustainable way, without damaging the coral reef ecosystem.
     
  5. yabs

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    Once again
    I'm quite sure this guy was talking about doing this
    in the sanctuary area
    if not then I apologize but even so yes this may have a small impact
    but if EVERYONER started doing it then are you sure the impact would be small?
    agreed it is better than gill netting and cyanide
    but my point is that its better to look and not touch
    especially in a sanctuary area.
    I got banned form TT because it is run my PC A holes
    who take handouts from the tourist industry
    I stated that a lot of Thailands destruction to reefs resulted in more people dying in the tsunami. This is a fact but because it harms the perfect image of thailand then they banned me.
    You yourself we all know use it to advertise your resort.
    If you really cared about the marine environment then why would you rent your shop out to a korean.
    isn't that like letting a wolf look after your sheep?
     
  6. cebudiver

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    The Koreans are mostly honeymoon couples and not divers - there is no dive facilities at my place - i am pretty sure that occasional snorkeling doesnt have a major impact seeing as the area in front of my house is pounded daily by local net fishermen and collectors of everything edible - I wanted the preserve to be in front of my place but that location was too popular to the fishermen and the new santander preserve will be about 100 meters north of my place - a compromise to the local fishermen - at least it will help with re-colonization (if the fishing ban is enforced)
    Look at the marine life in Moalboal - it is the most heavily touristed area in southern cebu yet it has the healthiest reef environment - the dive shop owners there help with enforcement and some proceeds from diving go to the fishermen to compensate - how does that relate to your tourism is bad for the reef theory???
    Its best to take pictures and leave bubbles but I am familiar with environmentally responsible collecting techniques - learned while transplanting reef fish to speed up colonization of new artificial reef habitats in florida - If someone collects, its best to do it correctly - the marine preserve in dauin is clearly marked and is off limits to collecting or fishing - and the impact of the person collecting a few fish in the surrounding area (compared to the fishing pressure there) is relatively less than throwing an apple core into smokey mountain.
    I havent advertised my resort on TT other than putting my web address on my profile page which doesnt show unless you click my name - anyway,as you know, I advise new people to the area to go to dumaguete, moalboal and siquijor and not liloan. I am giving accurate information and not self promoting. You, on the other hand present half truths mixed with outright lies, personal attacks and insults - you posted under multiple names, responding to your own posts ... setting up the straw man to knock it down. All the regulars on the Philippine and Thailand branch saw through it - thats why you kept getting banned -
    sorry the thread has wandered but that's the last comment I have on the subject -
     
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    Yabs you have already been close on this board too :smile:

    Anyways, of course the snorkeling with a net post was not talking about the sanctuaries, the marine sanctuaries are scattered all over Dauin and in fact all over the area down here and I would never do anything but watching the beautiful life in these areas.

    But I still enjoy watching the fish from right in front of our house(not a sanctuary) in our aquarium.

    But sure you can compare that to dynamite fishing... how about McD fishing, I buy a bunch of burgers, throw them in the water and when the fish gets too fat to swim away I just pick them up :-P
     
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    ok not in the sanctuary
    apologies
    congrats on the sanctuary effort then cebudiver
    agreed that moalboal has excellent reef cover
    it aslo doesn't have many koreans and also there is no beach hence people
    who go there are avid divers and or snorkellers and not beach loungers
    who want to ride jet skies and who have no respect for the envt.
    I don't understand why the fisherman are so stupid and have even less respect for the reef and why are they catching reef fish anyways?
    surely more edible fish are further out?
    asian mentality I suppose , think of today and not spare a thought fpor tomorow, but consideringv that no reef no fish and no fish they starve
    you would think theur attitude would be better
     
  9. cebudiver

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    since we are communicating now, one last thought (even I said I was done)
    The responsible fishermen would go hungry and watch the irresponsible ones eat for the day and all of them know there would be more for everyone if you left them alone - even the beautiful reef fish usually have the worst quality meat but its better than rice alone - and the smaller nets dont work in deep water - the fish go under them - even muro-ami boats fish over the reefs - illegal, but the huge purse-netting boat owners have political clout - they have no soul but I can understand the poor fisherman coming home to a hungry family - environmental responsibility starts with a full stomach
    ...a good analogy is if I were to put $1,000,000 on the ground in the park for anyone to pick up when needed - and whatever is left there in the morning gets doubled - how long before the feeding frenzy starts ?? it could happen anywhere - thats why govt. regulation is important and it takes money to enforce those regulations - all anyone can do is help when they get the chance and try to practice what they preach ( like me all concerned about global warming but driving to work alone in an SUV or taking multiple international flights for my personal enjoyment - I should be ashamed)
     
  10. yabs

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    sorry the argumanent of locals going hungry just doesn't wash
    how anyone goes hungry in a garden of eden like the Phils just begs belief
    throw a stick down and you get a banana tree growing
    ok exageration but you know what I mean
    food grows everywhere
    the phils is poor and people go hungry because of corruption
    mismanagement , a live for today and not tomorrow attitude and drastic
    overpopulation. I have never gone fishing but whilst
    on a thai island i went on a boat trip
    we had one bit of fishing line, a hook and some sweetcorn or similar bait
    by placing this in the sea with the hook just above a sandy bottom
    i manged to catch 3 or 4 edible reasonably sized fish for my lunch in about
    10 minutes, it really was thaT EASY. CONSIDERING THERE ARE MORE FISH IN THE pHILS then its truelly sad they have to have destructive fishing techniques toi feed themselves. Its laziness and ineptitude and greed for small
    time profit thats all.
    never see the boats go out with just a fish line and a small hook which is all thats needed.
    truelly pathetic attitude and aptitude from the locals i'm afraid to say
     
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